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Steve
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Dec 10, 2005 1:56 AM
Is this what happens when "Da Ali G" generation attempts to grasp the finer nuances of the 60s counterculture?
The first person to e-mail me at least 20 errors contained in T.S. Minton's absurdly inaccurate "Tribute 2 'The Greatful Dead' " will receive an online "Honorary Doctorate of Hip-ology" e-mailed directly to their in-box...
See http://www.interfusionpress.net/id37.html
p.s. I am T.S. (Steve) Minton.
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ADAM
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Dec 10, 2005 2:43 AM
who fuckin cares
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jeFF
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Dec 10, 2005 2:44 AM
nicely put.
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Steve
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Dec 10, 2005 3:48 AM
The attitude of you fuck-wads is exactly what I'm satirizing...
So fuck you too.
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ADAM
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Dec 10, 2005 8:19 AM
satarize this...but spell it correctly. Fuckweed.
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Scotty Jr.
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Dec 10, 2005 10:06 AM
tom wolfe wrote the electric kool aid acid test not ken kesey and jack nicholson didn;t write all along the cuckoos nest..
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Steve
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Dec 10, 2005 7:10 PM
You just satirized yourself by misspelling the word as "satarize"...if you dispute this, make a quick trip to www.dictionary.com..."Satanist"!
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Dec 10, 2005 7:11 PM
Good start...but maybe you're confusing "Sometimes a Cuckoo's Nest" with "All Along the Watchtower"???
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Scotty Jr.
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Dec 10, 2005 8:53 PM
i meant one flew over the cuckoo's nest.. your right i played all along the watchtower at a show last night and it must have stuck in my foggy brain..
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Dec 10, 2005 9:16 PM
I know I spelled satarized wrong ...again...Which is why I said that in the first place, you self-important cocksucker. The thing is, I really don't care. Not about spelling, I do care about spelling - what I don't care about is your book or looking for errors or any thing you have to say about me. And I ESPECIALLY dont care about recieving a whatever of hipology... or whatever the fuck your offering.... like I said, who fucking cares...You don't know me well enough to create a satire about me, or my friends. There are PLENTY of egg-headed "Dead history" buffs in this group & on the web to play your stupid game. I am not here as an homage to "60's counter culture" or for any reason other than this- I spent the better part of my youth around the Grateful Dead, and I happen to love thier music. This, by the way occoured in the 80's. I was born in 1967, so I really wouldn't know about it would I? Aside from having read about it & hearing stories, which is not anything like having lived through it - is it?
I suspect you came to this group to promote your book, not because you have any real interest in joining (the occasionally mind numbing) dialogue. (did I spell that right?) The thing is, asshole, this group is populated mostly by very young kids/adults. People who never had the privelidge (sp?) of seeing the band in its glory. They are trying to recreate - or hold on to the last threads - of a community, that while ripe for satire (Frank Zappa did it best) - means SOMETHING to these people. I myself am an old cynic & feel that nostalgia is equal to death, but I have enough RESPECT for these people not to bust thier balls - it's too easy & it's lame.
Go shill your book somewhere else... I'm sure there's a Jefferson Airplane site that would love to hear from you.
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Dec 10, 2005 9:36 PM
nicely put.
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Steve
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Dec 10, 2005 10:15 PM
Yeah, whatever. I love the Dead’s music too, as much as anyone, and I’ve certainly earned my psychedelic wings as well, since my birth in 1969 into the S.F. Bay Area. I suppose it’s best not to tout my credentials in depth in this forum or I’ll be accused of being “self-important.”
However I’m not here to shill any book, or what is actually just a single web page. My point (of the error-ridden web page you refuse to read) was to satirize the stupidity and posturing of young know-nothings who masquerade as know-it-alls. Very similar to the satiric strategy of Sacha Baron Cohen with his ridiculous Ali G persona; Cohen has said that Ali G is characterized by being both extremely ignorant *and* extremely arrogant.
Now, I’m not saying that *you* in particular are such a “young know-nothing” – if you were soaked in the Dead’s music growing up, as I was, you must not be half bad. The other half we have to work on, though, har har.
Let me get it straight. I make tongue-in-cheek offers to read my preposterously inaccurate history of the Dead's history and to e-mail a fictitious certificate and the first thing you do is jump my shit by saying “who fuckin cares”?
So who does fuckin’ care – about historical accuracy, basic grammatical literacy, understanding the lineage of the tradition we steep ourselves in? I suppose an accurate understanding of the roles and impacts of Dr. Leary, Kesey & The Merry Pranksters, Owsley, et al. doesn’t matter??? Sure as hell did matter, back in the day, to Jerry, Bob, Phil et al.
My goal, again, was to poke some fun at an upcoming generation that doesn’t seem to give a rat’s ass about these things. Kesey, Prankster Paul Krassner et al. were also known to pull a few pranks in their day, ya know. I don’t bring any *malice* to the table (the point of satire is often to wake people up and improve society, after all) – although if I’m attacked first, which I have been, obviously I will respond in kind – although I will continue to shake my head at a generation that refuses to even make an *effort* to try to understand how these countercultures came about.
Again, I’m not interested in a flame war per se, so:
1) If you want a “truce”, I will gladly be (paraphrase) a “stranger stoppin’ a stranger just to shake your hand.”
2) If not, then I say, “Fuck you too, pal.”
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Dec 10, 2005 10:33 PM
I, for one think this dude's website is hilarious. I don't know why you guys don't get it.
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Scotty Jr.
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Dec 10, 2005 10:43 PM
it amused me also cause it sounds like something a 16 yr old would write based on all the rumors he's been told by 14 yr olds... and i also don't get why everyone is ripping on it, it's just like the lyric thread.. find something wrong and you'll laugh your ass off..
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Dec 10, 2005 11:11 PM
I guess my thing is why poke fun at them? Or, more accurately why poke fun of them HERE... I'm no prude & I do have a sense of humor... I guess it is your tone that pisses me off. Ali G is funny in a visual medium. He would not be funny on paper. The rediculousness of his whole thing is whats funny. Like stuttering John. I get absurdism.
As far as understanding history & the likes of Keasey & the pranksters, I will say that the best book I have read - a book that tries to connect all of the consentric circles that converged in San Francisco in the early to mid sixties is Hank Harrison's (aka Odduck) book, or books. I cant remember thier titles, they are in storeage, and they may be out of print, but they are worth looking for & reading. He called himself "the Jane Goodall of Rock & Roll" and while his books are chock full of innaccuracies, he makes an interesting yarn out of connecting all of the 'scenes' in the Bay Area... from 50's beatsters (Cassidy, Ginsberg), to academic troublemakers (Leary), to Chicano street kids (Garcia), and South Bay Folkie wannabe's (Most of the people who worked for, or were members of the band), working class whites from Oakland (The HA), Political activists (Diggers) and good time hustlers... It was an amazing convergance of youth, energy and spirit that really ended in 1966, and whose aftershocks are still felt. (see: this group).
I'm not going to go into my personal credentials either, because it really doesnt matter... I think you'd be surprised how much the kids know...
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Dec 10, 2005 11:27 PM
one more note... "Historical Accuracy" is an oxymoron. Someone once said "if you remember the 60's, you wrent there"... all of history is colored by bias, distorted by time and obscured by spin. There was definately a convergence of energies in the Bay Area in the early sixties. The Grateful Dead were a part of it & were influenced by it, but I really believe that thier music stands alone, outside of that energy, on it's own merits. You don't need to know fuck-all about Gerdies Folk City or Grenwich Village to know that "Blowin' in The Wind" is a great song do you?
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