Do you believe humans are more or less capable to survive in nature than animals?

Do you believe technology has made us more or less capable to survive in nature?

Do you believe humans are suited to survive outside of their own engineered environments?

Do you believe reliance upon technology has hindered the need for physical prowess?

Do you believe division of labor has made people less capable of self reliance?

We did it before and we can do it again. But the herd will be considerably thinned out in the process.

Consider for a moment that a bird has bird nature, and man has man nature. A bird flies, and man thinks. Because man thinks, many things arise, such as tools and social organization, and as time goes by, these things get better. So, if technology is man’s nature, then what is there to be transcended? How can you transcend nature?

If you’re worried about conservation, then conserve. If you’re worried about the body weakening, then strengthen your body. These options are available to you, with or without technology. If others are wasteful, are ignorant of nature’s immeasurable value, or are weak in body or mind, then that is their choice. But wise decisions prevent calamity, and the unwise will invite it.

Maybe I’ll give you rabies wrote:
Consider for a moment that a bird has bird nature, and man has man nature. A bird flies, and man thinks. Because man thinks, many things arise, such as tools and social organization, and as time goes by, these things get better.

If things get better they also get worse.


After mind showed up and danced apart from all, partition is still nothing "else", the illusion that is apparent separation is still the whole itself. It is not unity, or original nature, or any romanticized wisdom that gets realized, it is illusion being realized as it actually is, illusion. Then it is not illusion, but it isn’t something "new" either, because nothing has been added or taken away.


blah blah blah all is blah blah blah

squirrels climb trees, birds fly in the sky

To the OP-

Maybe, I’ll check around for my belief......

Can’t find nuthin’ in particular...

Computer monitor displays this web page, the keyboard allows me to type my response to you, which I am doing without any apprehension ...

Nate wrote:
blah blah blah all is blah blah blah

That’s genuinely all I gathered from your post. Humor us for once, and speak as if you were talking to someone standing right next to you.

Maybe I’ll give you rabies wrote:

Nate wrote:

blah blah blah all is blah blah blah

That’s genuinely all I gathered from your post. Humor us for once, and speak as if you were talking to someone standing right next to you.

I could write twenty, or a hundred pages explaining and it wouldn’t mean shit, because what I’m talking about is simpler than philosophy or any abstract thought.



If you want to know what this is all about, ask a tree.


Originally there is only "Blah"

three plus three is six, my computer is humming

Enough with the false profundity. I understand what you’re trying to elicit, but it’s annoying. Cut that shit out. You talk as if we all practice zen, which I suppose to an extent we do, but few of us here visit temples to get whacked over the head with a stick, or listen to seminars by a wizened yogi in a diaper.

If it’s so simple, then the only words in all of your posts should always be, "Just sit".

Our magical, abstract philosophy you call is named Te, and it can be applied to all things in our lives. I used it to salvage my friendship; I used it to evade the prospect of homelessness - thrice - and I used it to bring my long-term relationship back from the dead. These things may not be important to you, because it’s you know, an illusion, but the enjoyment of fulfillment in accordance with our little natures is a common attribute amongst your peers here. Taoists suffer very little - we don’t need your frou-frou words of illusions and cosmic journeys.

Nate wrote:

Maybe I’ll give you rabies wrote:

Consider for a moment that a bird has bird nature, and man has man nature. A bird flies, and man thinks. Because man thinks, many things arise, such as tools and social organization, and as time goes by, these things get better.

If things get better they also get worse.





After mind showed up and danced apart from all, partition is still nothing "else", the illusion that is apparent separation is still the whole itself. It is not unity, or original nature, or any romanticized wisdom that gets realized, it is illusion being realized as it actually is, illusion. Then it is not illusion, but it isn’t something "new" either, because nothing has been added or taken away.





blah blah blah all is blah blah blah



squirrels climb trees, birds fly in the sky

what...the...fuck

see? short simple and to the point

a mountain is a mountain

a mountain is not a mountain

a mountain is a mountain

this is an old meditation saying that basically says we see what’s obvious. when we learn to see what’s beyond the obvious, we can look at the obvious again, and find new appreciation for it on a deeper level.

all you’ve spouted is a bunch of pop culture buzzwords, haphazardly at that, offering no apparant meaning to the common reader.

so i refrain, what.....the....fuck

peace

Maxwell, please bite this guy in his third eye, thank you.

Maybe I’ll give you rabies wrote:
Enough with the false profundity. I understand what you’re trying to elicit, but it’s annoying. Cut that shit out. You talk as if we all practice zen, which I suppose to an extent we do, but few of us here visit temples to get whacked over the head with a stick, or listen to seminars by a wizened yogi in a diaper.



If it’s so simple, then the only words in all of your posts should always be, "Just sit".



Our magical, abstract philosophy you call is named Te, and it can be applied to all things in our lives. I used it to salvage my friendship; I used it to evade the prospect of homelessness - thrice - and I used it to bring my long-term relationship back from the dead. These things may not be important to you, because it’s you know, an illusion, but the enjoyment of fulfillment in accordance with our little natures is a common attribute amongst your peers here. Taoists suffer very little - we don’t need your frou-frou words of illusions and cosmic journeys.

You’re reading too much into it.

Tree is truth.

That’s All.

"If we are to speak in the most general way, we may say that, while to Buddhism everything is false and wrong, to Taoism everything is real and right."

-Fung Yu Lan

"It’s an illusion. No I changed my mind, it’s in the tree. I’m smart, I think these guys in Taoism don’t know what a Koan is. I’ll whip them into shape."

This is couching adolescent passive-aggressive tendencies under the cloak of philosophical oneupsmanship.

Chuang-tzu opened his mouth one day. People heard him, wrote a book. Buddhists came to China, thought damn that’s cool and then injected Buddhism with Chuang-tzu and voila we have Zen. Buddhism was pretty dull until then. Now it thinks it’s funny and cool.

It’s like when a loser finds a cool friend and starts adopting his friends tricks and after his friend leaves town the loser acts as if the coolness was natural.

Tony wrote:

Chuang-tzu opened his mouth one day. People heard him, wrote a book. Buddhists came to China, thought damn that’s cool and then injected Buddhism with Chuang-tzu and voila we have Zen. Buddhism was pretty dull until then. Now it thinks it’s funny and cool.



It’s like when a loser finds a cool friend and starts adopting his friends tricks and after his friend leaves town the loser acts as if the coolness was natural.

I didn’t know that the reason for a religion or philosophy was coolness. I’ll stick with boring old Buddhism any day. I just am not hip enough for Taoism I guess. You know, stories like the ugly man and the old men living out by rivers by the beat of their own drum are exactly the same as toking up and drinking coffee while you surf the net over wifi.

Tony wrote:
"If we are to speak in the most general way, we may say that, while to Buddhism everything is false and wrong, to Taoism everything is real and right."



-Fung Yu Lan



"It’s an illusion. No I changed my mind, it’s in the tree. I’m smart, I think these guys in Taoism don’t know what a Koan is. I’ll whip them into shape."



This is couching adolescent passive-aggressive tendencies under the cloak of philosophical oneupsmanship.



Chuang-tzu opened his mouth one day. People heard him, wrote a book. Buddhists came to China, thought damn that’s cool and then injected Buddhism with Chuang-tzu and voila we have Zen. Buddhism was pretty dull until then. Now it thinks it’s funny and cool.



It’s like when a loser finds a cool friend and starts adopting his friends tricks and after his friend leaves town the loser acts as if the coolness was natural.

You also are reading too much into it. You have imagined a self image for me, an entire mode of thinking. You have painted a psychological portrait of me, very sweet of you but it’s still just something you painted.

The only frame reference for that sort of thinking you have ever experienced is your own. The only mind you have ever known is your own. I think that psycho-analysis is often a clearer reflection of the mind inferring character than of the character of the mind being analyzed.


This isn’t a contest. No one ever wins or loses, but some quit chasing their tail.




Buddha wasn’t worried about being the cool kid in high-school, he only wondered "What is this?".

Daniel wrote:

Tony wrote:



Chuang-tzu opened his mouth one day. People heard him, wrote a book. Buddhists came to China, thought damn that’s cool and then injected Buddhism with Chuang-tzu and voila we have Zen. Buddhism was pretty dull until then. Now it thinks it’s funny and cool.





It’s like when a loser finds a cool friend and starts adopting his friends tricks and after his friend leaves town the loser acts as if the coolness was natural.

I didn’t know that the reason for a religion or philosophy was coolness. I’ll stick with boring old Buddhism any day. I just am not hip enough for Taoism I guess. You know, stories like the ugly man and the old men living out by rivers by the beat of their own drum are exactly the same as toking up and drinking coffee while you surf the net over wifi.

It all depends if I’m following the beat of my own drum.

If Taoism was about being cool in the eyes of others and Buddhism isn’t, then I’d prefer the latter.

What I meant by "cool" was when you look at something, perhaps a painting and think "Hey that’s cool, .. bro". It’s an expression of appreciation. Not the kind of cool that is meant when you’re Mom is taking you shopping and when she picks something out for you and with a scowl you whimper "But that’s not cool, Ma, all the kids are wearing Ambercrombie and Filch!"

Nate wrote:


You also are reading too much into it. You have imagined a self image for me, an entire mode of thinking. You have painted a psychological portrait of me, very sweet of you but it’s still just something you painted.



The only frame reference for that sort of thinking you have ever experienced is your own. The only mind you have ever known is your own. I think that psycho-analysis is often a clearer reflection of the mind inferring character than of the character of the mind being analyzed.





This isn’t a contest. No one ever wins or loses, but some quit chasing their tail.



Buddha wasn’t worried about being the cool kid in high-school, he only wondered "What is this?".

It all depends on what we believe is chasing one’s own tail and what, if anything, should be done about it.

Ultimately I could care less if people are "chasing their tails" (if we are referring to "enlightenment"). It may sound harsh, but fret not, I’m not entirely incompassionate. I like people, I don’t want them to get hurt, but then again, some people like to chase their tails. Who am I to judge? Who am I to think I can interfere? Often times when someone does interfere with the tail chasing, they end up making things worse than they were to begin with.

Perhaps I am stereotyping you. Maybe you can give me something more than "just do it" to work from.