One of my usual haunts on the Web is a blog called Half Sigma, which I got turned on to while checking in w/another haunt of mine, Steve Sailer’s blog. Half Sigma often takes us themes and issues that greatly interest me, and I suspect, interests others but would never openly so say in public, such as Race, Class & Sex, to name just a few. Yesterday while "thumbing" through his archive, I ran accross something that seems perfectly fitted for a forum entitled "Evolutionary Astrology".

HS posits that instead of usual dichotomy of males, ie, Alpha and Beta, that there was a third catergory, Omega. He suggests that these three catergory of human males are an interesting study in how the human race gets on w/the business of reproducing itself. I agree.

As we all know, the Aphpa Male catergory is pretty straightforward, even though we’ve live in an Industrial age now for a little more than a century, and the Alpha Male’s heyday was back during the Hunter/Gatherer and early Agricultural eras. Alpha Males are, simply put, usually bigger, strong, and/or had access to maximum resources so as to be more appealing to and thus, have the most access to femles, especially the choice females.

Beta Males, those second tier guys who weren’t blessed w/such great genes, nevertheless were good guys, reliable, dependable and so forth. Back in the day their only chance of sending their genes off into the future was to hope for the Alpha Male to go off on the hunt or something like that, sneak into the harem and get a quickie before the Big Man came back. Other than that, it was the end of the genetic line for most Betas, until the Industrial Age, when male resources (wages) were more or less equalized and more guys had the chance to get a bride. Although she may not be the cat’s meow, it sure beat beating off for the rest of one’s life.

Oh, btw, Alpha Males make up roughly 10 to 15% of any population; Betas, roughly 70%. And another thing-Alphas do have one drawback, they tend not to be great nuturers, dads, and providers, whereas the opposite is true largely for Betas. This has given rise to what some Evo-types call the "Beta Strategy" where females would hookup w/the Alpha Male to get his genes and then get w/a Beta Male because he can provide better for the Alpha’s seed. In other words, Cuckoldry. But that’s another topic for another time.

Then we have what HS terms Omega Males. Again, these guys makeup about 15% of any given population, and are both lacking in sufficient genetic material AND material resources/social skills and thus are completely out of contention for copulating with females. These are generally the guys who live at home in Mom’s basement doing all kinds of geeky stuff, and looks it. Women wouldn’t give these guys the time of day, and that includes women who hangout in places like this one.

OK, so since we’ve briefly outlined the three types of males, the question becomes-how do we see this astrologically? I have a few theories, but I invite those reading alone (especially the ladies!) to chime in w/their thoughts.

It seems pretty clear to me that Sexual Aspects ply a huge role here. A male w/a lot of such aspects usually has the corresponding "animal magnetism" to attract females and get them to say "yes" moreso than Betas and definitely more than Omegas. So, when it comes to Alphas in general, that’s what I would expect to see, lots of Sexual Aspects, perhaps w/an additional refinement of said aspects occuring in Beastial Signs: Aries, Taurus, Sagittarius (at least the first half of the Sign anyway LOL), Capricorn, Leo.

Because Betas don’t have the raw Sexual power that Alphas have, I would expect to find an average amount of Sexual aspects at work here, along w/more "nuturing" astro markers-perhaps a strong Moon, or Jupiter, maybe a strong Neptune, something like that.

W/Omegas, hmm. That’s a good one. I suppose I would be looking for "outcaste" signals astrologically, but I’d need a bit more time as to how to formulate a postualte here. This is where we all can really jump in and toss the ball around.

So there you have it, the Three Male Types per Evolutionary Theory as set forth by Half Sigma. I think its a lot more valid than we may want to admit. And, there’s one more thing:

We have to remember that we Humans are only at the top of the foodchain, not apart from it. The Zodiac means literally, Circle of Animals, and we’re a lot closer to the Animal Kingdom than we think. This is especially true when it comes to things like "Synastry" which in so many ways, is a proxy for saying that we want astrology to help us get laid, and/or get laid more often.

Just keepin’ it real, y’all.

OK, that’s it. Discuss, and Holla Back!

Salaam
Mu

Jupiter was highly philandering, but not necessarily nurturing -he planted his seed and then went off to let someone else take care of it

besides, why would the Supreme deity represent a less than supreme caste?

neither was Neptune really very nurturing -he fucked Odysseus up pretty good

I think if you want to really explore this concept you will be forced to go back to the original mythology

In Roman mythology, Jupiter held the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He was called Iuppiter Optimus Maximus (Jupiter Best, Greatest); as the patron deity of the Roman state, he ruled over laws and social order. He was the chief god of the Capitoline Triad, with Juno and Minerva. In Latin mythology Jupiter is the father of Mars. Therefore, Jupiter is the grandfather of Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome.

The Capitoline Triad was a group of three supreme deities in Roman religion who were worshipped in an elaborate temple on Rome’s Capitoline Hill, the Capitolium. Two distinct Capitoline Triads were worshipped at various times in Rome’s history, both originating in ancient traditions predating the Roman Republic, but the more recent, consisting of Jupiter, Juno and Minerva and drawing heavily from Etruscan mythology, is the one most commonly referred to as the "Capitoline Triad".[1] The earlier, more traditional Indo-European-derived triad, now known as the Archaic Triad, consisted of Jupiter, Mars and Quirinus. Both groups of deities were central to Roman worship during their respective apices of popularity.

Archaic Triad

The original three deities thus worshipped, now more commonly referred to as the Archaic Triad, were Jupiter, Mars and Quirinus. Jupiter was the supreme ruler of the heavens and god of thunder, Mars the god of agriculture and guardian of crops, and later a war deity, and Quirinus the enigmatic god of the Roman populus ("people").

This grouping has been interpreted as a symbolic representation of early Roman society, wherein Jupiter, standing in for the ritual and augural authority of the Flamen Dialis (high priest of Jupiter) and the chief priestly colleges, represents the priestly class, Mars, with his warrior and agricultural functions, represents the power of the king and young nobles to bring prosperity and victory through sympathetic magic with rituals like the October Horse and the Lupercalia, and Quirinus, with his source as the deified form of Rome’s founder Romulus and his derivation from co-viri ("men together") representing the combined military and economic strength of the Roman people.

According to Georges Dumézil’s controversial trifunctional hypothesis, this division symbolizes the overarching societal classes of "priest" (Jupiter), "warrior" (Mars) and "farmer" or "civilian" (Quirinus). Though both Mars and Quirinus each had militaristic and agricultural aspects, leading later scholars to frequently equate the two despite their clear distinction in ancient Roman writings, Dumézil argued that Mars represented the Roman gentry in their service as soldiers, while Quirinus represented them in their civilian activities. Although such a distinction is implied in a few Roman passages, such as when Julius Caesar scornfully calls his soldiers quirites ("citizens") rather than milites ("soldiers"), the word quirites had by this time been dissociated with the god Quiritus, and it is likely that Quiritus initially had an even more militaristic aspect than Mars, but that over time Mars, partially through synthesis with the Greek god Ares, became more warlike, while Quiritus became more domestic in connotation. Resolving these inconsistencies and complications is difficult chiefly because of the ambiguous and obscure nature of Quirinus’ cult and worship; while Mars and Jupiter remained the most popular of all Roman gods, Quirinus was a more archaic and opaque deity, diminishing in importance over time.

Hi Gary, Adam,
Adam I haven’t seen the Juno movie yet, and I’m not sure how its premise ties into the thread. Please explain? The guy she gets knocked up by would NOT be considered an Aplha. So again, I need clarification.

Gary, thanks for the info!-and yes, I can certainly see your point about Jupiter. That said, I would caution you and anyone else not to disregard my points about Sexual aspects not only for the obvious reasons, but also because of the fact that what I’m talking about predates ANY form of organized religion or theological practice. That said, perhpas its a both/and sort of thing, eh?

Holla back

Salaam
Mu

Bey wrote:

Gary, thanks for the info!-and yes, I can certainly see your point about Jupiter. That said, I would caution you and anyone else not to disregard my points about Sexual aspects not only for the obvious reasons, but also because of the fact that what I’m talking about predates ANY form of organized religion or theological practice. That said, perhpas its a both/and sort of thing, eh?



Holla back



Salaam

Mu

I agree that this goes back before any form of religion or mythology

But if you want to describe it astrologically, particularly via western astrology, the above material or the fact that Jupiter drew lots with his two brothers to divide up the kingdom are the only ways i see of identifying a three-fold division of maleness

After the battle with the Titans, Zeus shared the world with his elder brothers, Poseidon and Hades, by drawing lots: Zeus got the sky and air, Poseidon the waters, and Hades the world of the dead (the underworld). The ancient Earth, Gaia, could not be claimed; she was left to all three, each according to their capabilities, which explains why Poseidon was the "earth-shaker" (the god of earthquakes) and Hades claimed the humans that died.

Hmm. Well, Posiden is associated w/Neptune, and so would fit my theory for the astro correlate of a Beta, right? We already have Jupiter down, but Pluto for the Omegas? Not so sure on that one. Maybe, I don’t know, Saturn? Hmm...

Salaam
Mu

Bey wrote:
Hmm. Well, Posiden is associated w/Neptune, and so would fit my theory for the astro correlate of a Beta, right? We already have Jupiter down, but Pluto for the Omegas? Not so sure on that one. Maybe, I don’t know, Saturn? Hmm...



Salaam

Mu

Saturn was a Cthonic deity like Pluto -but pluto couldnt get no booty w/o stealin it

Neptune had hisself at least 2 wifes (in addition to raping Demeter)

AMPHITRITE was the goddess queen of the sea, the wife of King Poseidon. Some say she was one of the fifty Nereides, others an Okeanis, but most simply describe her as the female personification of the sea: the loud-moaning mother of fish, seals and dolphins. As such she was essentially the same as Thalassa. When Poseidon first sought Amphitrite’s hand in marriage, she fled his advances, and hid herself away near Atlas in the Ocean stream at the far ends of the earth. The dolphin-god Delphin eventually tracked her down and persuaded her to return to wed the sea-king.

Amphitrite was depicted in Greek vase painting as a young woman, often raising her hand in a pinching gesture. Sometimes she was shown holding a fish. In mosaic art the goddess usually rides beside her husband in a chariot drawn by fish-tailed horses or hippokampoi. Sometimes her hair is enclosed with a net and her brow adorned with a pair of crab-claw "horns".

Her name is probably derived from the Greek words amphis and tris, "the surrounding third." Her son Tritôn was similarly named "of the third." Clearly "the third" is the sea, although the reason for the term is obscure. Her Roman equivalent was Salacia, whose name means "the salty one."

the history of Atlantis began at the beginning of time. It was then that the immortal gods divided the world among themselves and each ruled their proportion. The god Poseidon received Atlantis, an island larger the Libya and Asia combined. He chose for a wife the mortal woman Cleito, and with her begun the royal family of Atlantis.

Poseidon built Cleito’s home on a high hill at the very center of the island. The home overlooked a fertile plain bordered by the sea. For his beloved wife’s protection Poseidon surrounded her house with five concentric rings of water and land. He carved the rings with the ease and skill of a god. He made hot and cold springs come from the earth. With the development of a future city his descendants never lacked for water.

Cleito bore Poseidon ten sons, five sets of boys. Atlas the first son of the first set of twins, was made king over the vast territory by his father. His brothers were appointed princes and each ruled over a large section of the territory that was distributed to him. The most valuable section of the kingdom remained his mother’s home on the hilltop and the land surrounding it. This was given to Atlas. Atlas himself had many sons with the succession of the throne always passing to the eldest son.

so it seems the archaic triad is the better way to go

perhaps the planet that got blown up into the asteroid belt represents Quirinus

Soul Sign Horoscopes wrote:
so it seems the archaic triad is the better way to go



perhaps the planet that got blown up into the asteroid belt represents Quirinus

Hmm...you make a god point wrt Pluto. But an Omega male by definition ain’t getting no booty at all...but still he could *rape* and get it...but the definition of an OM per Half Sigma wouldn’t fit the rapist profile. Most rapists aren’t geeky types.

Besides, Pluto is still a Sexual planet, and for a male, the coming together of Mars and Pluto makes for a Male Sexual aspect. This is what the Alphas would have among other things.

I think the Saturn archetype per the West works for the OMs. Most like a mix of Saturn and Neptune in high relief in the chart.

Also, its been my experience that Neptune plays a strong role in the chart when paternity is in serious doubt. Like Rielle Hunter for instance, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if she had Neptune in or somehow tied into her 5 house. Same deal w/Anna Nicole Smith.

According to Half Sigma, Beta males often take on kids other than their own, be it via a previous hookup/marriage or cuckcoldry. Therefoe I’d expect Neptune to be prominent but not necessarily Saturn as in the case of Omegas.

Also: WHY AREN’T THERE ANY FEMALE VOICES ON THIS THREAD?

Hmm. We were discussing Uranus on Ann’s "Higher Vibrations" thread. But Uranus would definitely apply here, right? I mean, since the Industrial Age made Beta males more attractive to females, right?

I can’t check it right now, but Uranus was in Gemini would discovered. Gemini definitely fits for the industrial era. And I view it as a "common man’s Sign" being Mutable, whereas Aries, Capricorn, where Mars is at his best, are Executive Signs.

Also, Uranus in Gemini, both times in American history, signalled the beginning of the end of the Housewife, as more and more women began to get schooling and jobs.

Hmm! All very interesting.

Gary, question: how WOULD YOU define these types of men? What do you make of all this, astrology aside?

Salaam
Mu

Bey wrote:

Soul Sign Horoscopes wrote:

so it seems the archaic triad is the better way to go





perhaps the planet that got blown up into the asteroid belt represents Quirinus

Hmm...you make a god point wrt Pluto. But an Omega male by definition ain’t getting no booty at all...but still he could *rape* and get it...but the definition of an OM per Half Sigma wouldn’t fit the rapist profile. Most rapists aren’t geeky types.



Besides, Pluto is still a Sexual planet, and for a male, the coming together of Mars and Pluto makes for a Male Sexual aspect. This is what the Alphas would have among other things.



I think the Saturn archetype per the West works for the OMs. Most like a mix of Saturn and Neptune in high relief in the chart.



Also, its been my experience that Neptune plays a strong role in the chart when paternity is in serious doubt. Like Rielle Hunter for instance, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if she had Neptune in or somehow tied into her 5 house. Same deal w/Anna Nicole Smith.



According to Half Sigma, Beta males often take on kids other than their own, be it via a previous hookup/marriage or cuckcoldry. Therefoe I’d expect Neptune to be prominent but not necessarily Saturn as in the case of Omegas.



Also: WHY AREN’T THERE ANY FEMALE VOICES ON THIS THREAD?



Hmm. We were discussing Uranus on Ann’s "Higher Vibrations" thread. But Uranus would definitely apply here, right? I mean, since the Industrial Age made Beta males more attractive to females, right?



I can’t check it right now, but Uranus was in Gemini would discovered. Gemini definitely fits for the industrial era. And I view it as a "common man’s Sign" being Mutable, whereas Aries, Capricorn, where Mars is at his best, are Executive Signs.



Also, Uranus in Gemini, both times in American history, signalled the beginning of the end of the Housewife, as more and more women began to get schooling and jobs.



Hmm! All very interesting.



Gary, question: how WOULD YOU define these types of men? What do you make of all this, astrology aside?



Salaam

Mu

I agree that perhaps Uranus can be an indicator of geeky non sexual types -after all he was castrated -but the glyph suggests saturn only really got one nut, lol! in truth i think many people associate uranus with the freakier varieties of sex

dicovered march 13, 1781 in 25th degree of Gemini

sabian symbol "a gardener trimming palm trees" -so definitely a lower caste there

If i HAD TO define the three types astrologically/mythologically i would go with the archaic triad -because i dont see neptune or pluto as wimpy at all -just drew bad lots

so Jupiter alpha, Mars beta, and Quirinus (asteroids) omega -because essentially women have become the omega in the workforce -even a beta male makes more than they do on average for the same work...

what do i make of this, astrology aside? not sure...I think it might be a little silly to divide men up into only 3 categories -obviously many would be in the grey areas in between, no?

I know I am not a "type A personality" -but i also know i cant stand for one minute some mfer trying to "alpha" me -so, I guess i am some hwere between trua or pure alpha and beta -because i can take care of myslef easily and always got my share of bootay -but i dont feel the need to try to dominate anyone, either

this fits with my chart because both jupiter and mars are angular
jupiter is more involved tho (via testimony)

jupiter seems to think its all about quantity (booty wise)

but mars likes quality (he got w/ venus)

I certainly wasnt the most popular or gettin the most in HS, but I had plenty opportunity and went to prom with Miss Loudoun County -somethin no other dude in my school district could lay claim to

Anyway, truth be told, i AM more of a pedant than you -and so other than an occasion to throw in the archaic triad -the conversation bores me a little (swapping exploits was never really my style)

would much rather be shooting my bow -but its much too hot for that just now

Gary,
Very interesting stuff. I’ve always thought of Jupiter as the opposite of Saturn. You know, how one expands and the other contracts, etc. So if Jupiter’s Alpha, and that seems to make sense, then shouldn’t Saturn be Omega?

Also, very interesting take on the SS for 25 Gemini. Seems to mirror my thought that Mutable Signs in general represent "commoners".

Btw, I’ve never seen Gemini as a fully Male Sign, but rather as Bi-Sexual, both Male and Female, and this too would fit w/Uranus’ discovery as its a democratizing planet. The Industrial Age was when women realy began doing things outside the home.

Mars as a Beta Male? Well, from a Vedic standpoint Mars is the soldier but Jupiter is the general, so I suppose. But I still have a hard time accepting that of a planet who’s home is in Aries and who’s exaltation is in Capricorn, both beastly and executive Signs.

From a Magi Astro perspective Uranus is a Male Sexual Planet, and my own observation bears this out when combined w/other Male Sexual planets.

Saturn’s only got one nut, LOL!!! Yea, he’s always depicted as lame or infirm, right? And he definitely features in the profile for impotence.

Uranusl castration is a very interesting point, and one that isn’t brought up much at all really. And it would fit the Omega/geeky persona alright. Hmm. Also, Half Sigma points out elsewhere on his site that a man w/too high an IQ is a turnoff to women, and hence turn out being among the most frequent johns of whores. You should go look it up it is very interesting to read.

OK, so we have Sexual aspects, Jupiter, Mars possibly Saturn. Hmm!

Salaam
Mu

PS: Although I’m not a Marxist, he was right about one thing: Class distinctions are inevitable. Although this has been ameliorated to some extent in more recent times, it remains with us still. While I do agree that there is probably a lot of variation in the wide Beta middle, on the margins of the Male Curve I think will remain fairly constant. Holla back

no, i was saying Uranus’ glyph suggests he wasnt fully castrated -theres still one nut there, lol -saturn didnt finish the job

anyway, i just finished my weekly column and its focus this week it the Mercury/Venus to Uranus oppositions if anyone want to check it out just go to my profile and hit the link for the latest blog entry

WHY AREN’T THERE ANY FEMALE VOICES ON THIS THREAD?




Because you don’t really want to have to hear them.

You think you know it all, without any feminine input.

OK Ann, since you’re the first female to post on the subject, why not give it a whirl. What do you think of what’s being discussed thus far? Astro and otherwise. Thanks.

Salaam
Mu