Steve Sailer’s done it again, w/his coverage of the 2008 Summer Olympic Games at Beijing China. Here’s his take on Yao Ming: http://isteve.blogspot.com/. Its the second post down the page, can’t miss it.

In it he talks about how Yao Ming came to be; Ming is the product of an essentially arranged marraige between the centers and captains of the men’s and women’s basketball teams in Shanghai. Ming’s dad is 6’11"; his mom, 6’3". Ming himself weighed in at ELEVEN POUNDS, TWICE THE AVERAGE WEIGHT OF A CHINESE NEWBORN. His head was huge and square shaped, and his hands and feet were that of a three year old. At 10 years old he was 5’5"; in his early teens he was over 6’ tall.

And, according to the book, Operation Yao Ming, we have a pretty good crack at Ming’s birthtime, "shortly after 7PM" at Shanghai Hospital No. 6. The rest of the data is Sep 12 1980. This gives an Asc of 13 Ari 02 using Placidus houses and Tropical Zodiac.

Matchmaking, or arranged marriage, is a lot more common in the world outside the USA/West than most of us know or care about. Of course, w/feminist indoctrination here, arranged marriages have gotten a very bad rap, by way of the relatively few horror stories they trot out to dissuade anyone from hooking up that way. But if one takes the time to actually study the thing, one comes away w/the view that it ain’t all as bad as some would try to make it out to be. And besides, w/the American track record of marriage, no American should even be thinking about turning their nose up at the option, one that has a much better track record, I might add.

At any rate, Yao Ming’s story raises all kinds of questions for astrologers. As the Olympic games, especially the Summer events, since they’re much more racially and ethnically intergrated, shows us, Human Biodiversity is Real. There is no getting around the different body types and aptitudes, talents and inclinations, of so many groups of players and atheletes. There’s no denying that certain groups clearly dominate certain events (like sprinting and long distance marathons, where West and East Africans continue to dominate the field, for example), and while other groups lockup others. All of this points to an undeniable, if not brutally politically incorrect Truth:

That the horscope MUST accomodate these particularities, or astrology will have proved itself useless.

Additionally, we can see that astrology, especially as practiced in the West, has to contend w/the idea of "matchmaking"-arranged marriages-w/the particular intention or purpose of producing children w/an edge. In a word, eugenics.

Largely discredited after the horrors vistied on the Jewish people by the Nazis in the Holocaust, Eugenics nevertheless is a deep area of human concern, and will in this astrologer’s view never go away. The ever expanding fertility industry, w/ever increasing arrays of IVF options, is just one such example of this fact. Women can choose the sperm of high IQ achievers if they wish, and many have done just that. To wit, one Jodie Foster. Look it up.

To select for the best potential mate is fully human, and as noted above, as Foster is a lesbian, even among gay folks this is true. So we astrologers need to get busy talkin’, because there are lots of people out there not only looking for a match but one that can produce Kids w/the Right Stuff.

Again, Yao Ming: Sep 12 1980 "shortly after 7PM" CCT Shanghai China. Placidus 13 Ari 02.

Comments?

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Mu

ok mu, you’re going to love this :). i would give chiron rulership of eugenics and expected a strong chiron in Yao’s chart. sure enough chiron is in a tight square to the nodes (the ultimate validation from an"EA" perspective) forming a fixed cross in fixed houses with uranus. the fixed grand cross could certainly pertain to selective breeding. add in the virgo stelium ..... and chiron is very prominent in this chart, making some tight aspects ....

I know, I know, i better prepare for the serious Mu interogation, reminding myself to breathe .... lol

i’m curious if you have Jimmy the Greeks’ birth data and know the date for his infamous statement .....

lonecrow

lonecrow wrote:
ok mu, you’re going to love this :). i would give chiron rulership of eugenics and expected a strong chiron in Yao’s chart. sure enough chiron is in a tight square to the nodes (the ultimate validation from an"EA" perspective) forming a fixed cross in fixed houses with uranus. the fixed grand cross could certainly pertain to selective breeding. add in the virgo stelium ..... and chiron is very prominent in this chart, making some tight aspects ....



I know, I know, i better prepare for the serious Mu interogation, reminding myself to breathe .... lol



i’m curious if you have Jimmy the Greeks’ birth data and know the date for his infamous statement .....



lonecrow

Hi LC,
Jimmy The Greek Snyder Sep 9 1919 Steubenville OH, no time Wikipedia. Sun conjunct Venus Rx in Virgo, Moon in Pisces probably opposed Saturn in Virgo (interesting that we would be discussing his chart on a post-humous Saturn Return!) and Mercury also in Virgo, the FD of the chart, the latter two most likely conjunct.
Stellium of planets in Leo, Mars, Neptune and Jupiter all conjunct, Uranus in dignity (Aquarius) in the last degree and Rx, opposing Mercury-Saturn accross the Signline. Moon trine Pluto in Cancer.

My wild pitch guess was that he could have had Sagittarius rising, meaning that he could have been born around midday, but that’s purely speculation off the top of my head on my part.

At any rate, Wikipedia gives Jan 18 1988 as the date when he made his so-called infamous remarks about Black Americans in sports, particularly football. At the time, he had SA Pluto=Sun, SA Node=Saturn/Pluto, and SA Neptune=Saturn, all very difficult measurements suggesting major losses and setbacks. Jimmy spoke on a major American Taboo, and had to be punished.

But the truth is, that he only told the truth, and it would be repeated over and over by other observers in sports, such as Rush Limbaugh, Dusty Baker, and the head coach of the football team at the Air Force Academy. Simply put when it comes to sports where muscle, speed, agility and non stop decisions have to be made in realtime, Blacks dominate them. We all know this. We just can’t talk or write about it.

I’m curious as to why you would give Chiron rulership over Eugenics, and no, I’m not gonna give you Rhetorical Rubberhose treatment, LOL! But yea, I did notice it when I first pulled up the chart and kinda though someone would observe that. So it looks like I was right.

But to me what’s interesting in Yao’s chart is the fact that the 4 ruler Moon is angular and conjunct Pluto both in Libra, the Sign of China’s national Sun. Indeed, he is the pride of China, and all that I’ve reported about him certainly fits this aspect. Note too that his Sun is conjunct Jupiter. Two planets that have to do w/magnifying things to outrageous proportions. Hmm.

The horoscope of China itself, Oct 1 1949 3.15PM CCT Peking/Beijing Placidus 5 Aqr 57, deserves a mention as well. Note how Gemini, the intellectually and scientifically curious Sign, is on the 5 house cusp of the national birth rate. Mercury, is the ruler and is conjunct Neptune in Libra in the 8 house, and Mercury is also Rx. This speaks to the hushed rumors at the hospital where Yao was born about there being a eugenics program afoot in the national sports program (5 house). Uranus in Cancer is in MR w/the Aquarian Moon and rules the national Asc too. And it square the Libran Sun. China’s One Family, One Child policy is known worldwide, and now, so is its eugenics policies. Could this also be true for IQ? At present, China is among the smartest per capita societies in the world, w/an average IQ of 105. Again, note Uranus and Mercury, connected to the 5 house.

Note also the prevalence of Sexual aspects in the Chinese chart, w/Venus in Scorpio in the 9 house, and square the Mars-Pluto conjunction in the 7. Back when Tianemen went down, major protests were taking place among the Chinese male students who were very angry that the African male foreign exchange students were hooking up w/the Chinese girls in droves. China already has a bride shortage problem due to the aforementioned one child program of the 70s and 80s. Look it up online, also check in w/my blog muminspeaks.blogspot.com for more on this. Its called Chinese Arithemetic.

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Salaam
Mu

Mu …. Thanks for the leg work on charts. fascinating to look at yao’s and china’s chart …..

I agree with you on jimmy the greek, I remember thinking at the time, of course that stuff happened but the rules of society are such, you don’t say that stuff high profile/public and not pay the price. I have to say that I thought Rush’s comments were his opinion and definitely debatable …..

Wikipedia describes eugenics as “the self-direction of human evolution”, the improvement of human hereditary through various forms of intervention. Simply, I see one aspect of Chiron as the representation of that factor, the human ability to intervene and work with to improve nature and the accumulated effect of such choices, which includes the unforeseen negative consequences of such ….

Nice analysis on the charts and fascinating synastry between yao and china. In the china chart the venus square Pluto/mars could certainly speak to the eugenics with athletes and Yao’s Grand cross with Chiron, Uranus and the nodes is a dead hit. Yao’s North node conjuncting China’s Pluto/Mars in Leo, representing the great success, Yao’s destiny as the pride of the nation. Interesting to note that China’s Chiron/Venus midpoint is an exact hit on the MC (27 scorpio, ruled by the mars/Pluto 7th), the institutionalization of the policies/philosophy in regards to eugenics. Chiron is in Sag/10th and tightly quincunx Uranus could even be linked to the high IQ you speak of. Also of note is that transiting Chiron in aquarius is currently tightly aspecting china’s venus/mars/Pluto, potentially referring to the current scandle with the below age female gymnasts.

For me Chiron is still revealing itself, but is proving its’ value …

Later,
lonecrow

Hey LC,
Thanks for the comeback. I’m still tryin to get my head around the idea that Chiron has something to do w/Eugenics. My own thinking would lead me to think mainly of Pluto, since its both a Sexual planet and since it also has to do w/the Genome, etc. In YM’s chart, we can clearly see Pluto strongly implicated, the same thing is true for China’s chart. In both cases, its angular in the 7 house. In China’s chart Mars conjunct Pluto is also an aspect common for pro level atheletes especially the male ones, and in YM’s chart the Moon, suggesting the mother, is conjunct Pluto. Its even possible that she could have had "help" in the form of fertility treatments etc.

Uranus of course represents technology and in Cancer, such as in the case of China’s chart this can speak to reproductive technology and the like. But in and of itself I don’t see it having too much to do w/eugenics/sexual reproduction and the like. Unless its tied into Sexual Signs, something like that. In YM’s chart, Uranus is in Scorpio, which makes a lot of sense. Keep in mind that here in the USA the Pill became widespread and Roe v Wade came down when Uranus and Pluto transited Libra.

I say we’ll be dealing w/this issue a lot more when Pluto re-enters Capricorn, one arm of the parental axis of the Zodiac, possibly focusing on the paternal side of things this time. I’ve been following a number of cases wrt sperm donors and how they’re now being held liable for child support etc. Also, I was reading that the long awaited Male Birth Control Pill has been mothballed due to lack of interest in the male market. So yea, when Pluto goes back in Cap, expect to see all kinds of "virility" issues in the news, etc.

As for Rush, I think his point was largely valid, which was that the NFL had instituted a widespread affirmative action program for Black QBs that hadn’t really panned out, the proof of which there hasn’t been ONE Black QB Superbowl winner since Doug Williams, a quarter of a century ago. Like it or not, that’s the truth, even though we’ve had a Michael Vick (we all know how that turned out) and a Donovan McNabb (and my buddy Sam is right when he said he choked). On the other hand, BOTH Mannings are Superbowl winners, the younger of the two Eli, barely in the league for more than a few seasons. Then there’s Pittsburgh’s QB, the youngest to win a Superbowl at the time.

See, the thing about sports is if you wanna win, you can’t afford to be PC, and you find out some things real quick. There’s a reason why you haven’t heard too much about the brotha from Texas who lit the place up in college, but has all but fizzled in the NFL, and a lot of that has to do w/the Wonderlic test.

The Wonderlic test, for those who don’t know, is a test administered by the NFL to all its players at the annual NFL Combine. Most QBs get three digit IQ number-results after taking the test, followed by offensive lineman in the high 90s, etc. Lower on the scale are wideouts and running backs, high 80 to low 90.

You tell me who most likely occupy those positions on the average NFL roster, LC.

Anyone who knows anything about football will tell you that’s its an incredibly complex game where you have to master thick playbooks. Simply put, there hasn’t been a Black QB who has the same mental ability as a Farve or a Montana. That’s just the plain truth.

But what you have seen, are QBs like Randall Cunningham, Vick and McNabb, guys who are fast on their feet and could easily play the slot as a wideout. In fact, one year Cunningham led all players in just about everything from QB to punter.

But don’t be too upset at what I just said, because the best WR ever is still Jerry Rice, and Montana wouldn’t have gone anywhere w/o him. Name another White wideout who even comes close.

Franco Harris, Jim Brown, Terrill Owens, these are just a few guys who are masters at their positions. They’re not the brains of the operation, but the game couldn’t be won w/o them. And again, name a White guy who comes close.

Deion Sanders could play wideout AND cornerback, in the same game!-who White, in the past say, 30 years, could do that?!

So, yea IQ matters, and if you doubt that, ask any NFL coach. That’s a multi BILLION dollar business and they can’t afford to hand the ball to a guy who ain’t too bright. That said, speed, situational awareness, an ability to improvise and make non stop, in the flow of the game decisions on the spot matters, too. Hence the common winning combination of a White QB and a Black wideout/halfback.

Anyway, question: a woman wants to have a baby real bad, but can’t find suitable guys to do the deed. Do you use astrological skills to help her out?

A guy wants to produce a really strong and smart heir. He wants you to help find a smart and very fertile young lady who wouldn’t mind making history. Do you help a brotha out?

We talk so much about ethics, well y’all, here’s one for ya. Whatcha think?

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Salaam
Mu

The metaphor of Yakub drawn from the Nation of Islam may be something the Chinese could consider. Sparta serves as another example of the success of human breeding programs.

Phil wrote:
The metaphor of Yakub drawn from the Nation of Islam may be something the Chinese could consider. Sparta serves as another example of the success of human breeding programs.

Hi Phil,
Your comment here got b me on first glance, and only when I’ve come back to comb through my previous posts to post up on my blogsite did I see it. Yup, I think the Yakub myth from the NOI of old, and the Spartan piece are great examples of just how deeply entrenched the idea or notion of Eugenics really is, and how it is not going away. It’s something we astrologers really need to consider.

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Mu