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04 mai 2007, 20:35
It's Stan Winston Studios obviously, but shouldn't Adi Granov be included in the credit also, as he is working on the movie (and it's clearly influenced by his work?) Jon obviously gets input somewhere, but who "officially" would be credited for this?
I've seen Adi credited for the design itself on Wikipedia, but everywhere else then mention Stan Winston alone. Obviously, SWS built the CG version,
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04 mai 2007, 23:04
No way mate, the mark 3 which is similar, isn't an exact replica of Adi designs. I think they have taken some of design from a few versions and added some themselves. So then recognition would have to go to other artists as well. Just keep it sws, there will be too much trouble recognizing artists!
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04 mai 2007, 23:11
Teata wrote:
No way mate, the mark 3 which is similar, isn't an exact replica of Adi designs. I think they have taken some of design from a few versions and added some themselves. So then recognition would have to go to other artists as well. Just keep it sws, there will be too much trouble recognizing artists!
No, Adi Granov was officially brought on board to work on the design of Iron Man for this movie. And while it's not exactly like Adi's armor, it's OBVIOUSLY very influenced by it moreso than any other Iron Man armor. Adi Granov should get proper cred. Designers rarely do get mentioned though.
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04 mai 2007, 23:46
Jon publicly acknowledged several times that Granov's work heavily influenced the movie. Weren't they together during Comic Con last year? I can't imagine that Granov won't get credited to some degree. But there's an Art Department on this movie that probably put in a few sketches/renders also.
The way I imagine it all happened is that Jon and the producers took time to hammer out possibilities with the Art Department, which probably included Adi's advice for both the design and how the suit would move practically. When Stan Winston was brought on board, I believe it's their responsibility to take that/those designs and work with Jon & Co. to make as much of it real as possible, through 3D models and maquettes, etc. I doubt that the design the producers provided was fully practicable, so they may have had to tweak or redo some aspects until the final design was locked down at Winston Studios.
When the story broke, Entertainment Weekly credited Winston with the design in the caption for that picture. As above, I do think there's more to that story. But hats off to everyone involved, definitely.
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05 mai 2007, 08:56
The suit was designed by an artist named Phil Saunders who collaborated with Adi Granov based on the comic art of Granov. It evolved over many months and then was brought to Winston Studios to refine the design in order to build it as a working practical costume. Winston modeled and then fabricated the actual suit. It is difficult to identify a single person as the designer because they each contributed to the final design. The EW article correctly stated, however, that the suit was built by Winston. I hope this helps.
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05 mai 2007, 09:18
Jon Favreau wrote:
The suit was designed by an artist named Phil Saunders who collaborated with Adi Granov based on the comic art of Granov. It evolved over many months and then was brought to Winston Studios to refine the design in order to build it as a working practical costume. Winston modeled and then fabricated the actual suit. It is difficult to identify a single person as the designer because they each contributed to the final design. The EW article correctly stated, however, that the suit was built by Winston. I hope this helps.
It sure does Jon, I am glad we don't have start recognizing artists for their partial role in the design!
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05 mai 2007, 19:34
Teata wrote:
Jon Favreau wrote:
The suit was designed by an artist named Phil Saunders who collaborated with Adi Granov based on the comic art of Granov. It evolved over many months and then was brought to Winston Studios to refine the design in order to build it as a working practical costume. Winston modeled and then fabricated the actual suit. It is difficult to identify a single person as the designer because they each contributed to the final design. The EW article correctly stated, however, that the suit was built by Winston. I hope this helps.
It sure does Jon, I am glad we don't have start recognizing artists for their partial role in the design!
Thanks, so I guess it's safe to call it a Saunders/Granov/Winston creation? I knew before hand that other people obviously helped, I just want to get the full story.
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05 mai 2007, 22:27
Thanks for that clarification, Jon. The article did say that Winston constructed it, but the online article credited Winston with the design in the caption for the picture.
PUMPING 'IRON' Downey Jr.'s costume, designed by Oscar-winning F/X guru Winston
As you say, that's still partly true. But we the fans appreciate knowing the full truth and we hope that these normally unsung members of the crew know they have fans too :D
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05 mai 2007, 22:37
Here's some more information about Phil Saunders. He was partially responsible for some of the eye-candy in Zathura and Spidey 3. It appears he was also set to collaborate with Jon with JCoM.
IMDB
Phil Saunders website
The artwork on his site is amazing. I love the jungle matte, for one.
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