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LucidOne
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jun 15, 2005 1:26 p.m.
Here are some transcribed talks by Osho. They speak for themselves.
http://www.geocities.com/yahugrup/talks.htm
"So always remember, whatsoever I say to you, you can take it in two ways. You can simply take it on my authority, "Because I say so, it must be true" -- then you will suffer, then you will not grow. Whatsoever I say, listen to it, try to understand it, implement it in your life, see how it works, and then come to your own conclusions. They may be the same, they may not be. They can never be exactly the same because you have a different personality, a unique being. Whatsoever I am saying is my own. It is bound to be in deep ways rooted in me. You may come to similar conclusions, but they cannot be exactly the same. So my conclusions should not be made your conclusions. You should try to understand me, you should try to learn, but you should not collect knowledge from me, you should not collect conclusions from me. Then your mindbody will grow."
~Osho
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Jeshua
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jun 16, 2005 1:27 p.m.
I like osho... Honestly I'd never heard of him before the topics in this group, but now?
I have a list of people I want to meet and maybe study under before I kick off this run through the mortal coil. This list is:
Brad Warner (Zen Master, Soto School)
Thich Naht Hanh (who doesn't know this guy)
Any Curandero (still undecided here)
And now Osho.
Namaste
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LucidOne
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North Carolina
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jun 16, 2005 1:53 p.m.
Unfortunately you will have to either channel, or wait until your days in this life run out. Osho passed away. There is some controversy regarding his death and the US gov't, but we will never know what really happened. It doesn't matter either way. Osho left a legacy of works like no other enlightened master before him (books, recordings, video, etc), so his life was not wasted. Maybe in his next incarnation you can sit and chat.
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Jeshua
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jun 16, 2005 2:56 p.m.
That's another dead person I wish I could have met.
I didn't add them onto my list cause there were so many of them. Terrance Mckenna, Tim Leary, Bill Hicks, and now Osho... Not to mention Guatama Buddha of course.
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Abraxus
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jun 17, 2005 4:35 a.m.
Wow! Thanks for posting that link .. I read just a couple of the talks and now I want to keep going back!
'You have come to an even more dangerous person than Nan-in, because an empty cup won't do; the cup has to be broken completely. Even empty, if you are there, then you are full. Even emptiness fills you. If you feel that you are empty you are not empty at all, you are there. Only the name has changed: now you call yourself emptiness. The cup won't do at all; it has to be broken completely. Only when you are not can the tea be poured into you, only when you are not is there no need really to pour the tea into you. When you are not the whole existence begins pouring, the whole existence becomes a shower from every dimension, from every direction. When you are not, the divine is.' - Osho
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LucidOne
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jun 20, 2005 12:42 p.m.
Are you not an I to be shattered? Might just now have a shattered cup, but still a cup exists, no?
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Abraxus
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jun 22, 2005 5:57 a.m.
I thought about this more or less on my way into work as i crossed over the river and watched the multitude of different ripples caused by the wind , the ducks playing on the water , the current .... all flowing out in their own directions - yet the river being the same one it always has been.
'Hence, although I go on repeating again and again that you can become a Buddha...in fact you are a Buddha, unaware of the fact. On the circumference maybe there is a great storm, just as on the surface the sea is stormy -- sometimes more, sometimes less, but there are always waves, bigger or smaller; there is always turbulence, disturbance. But at the depth there is not even a ripple: all is silence.' - Osho
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Abraxus
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jun 26, 2005 1:33 p.m.
I like to drop sections of Osho here , maybe to hopefully tease others into visiting the site where so many amazing talks are given ....
Talks by title.
'We are in control of infinite material power, but we know nothing of the depths of the human heart, we know nothing of the poison and the nectar that lies hidden there, side by side. We know the atomic structure of matter but nothing of the atomic structure of the soul. And this is our great misfortune. We have achieved power, but no peace, no enlightenment.
There is great power in the hands of the unenlightened, of the unawakened. But these are the people who should not be allowed to possess power; if it is misused, power can wreak great evil. Our whole search has been for power. And this is man's mistake. He is in danger from his own achievements, from his own successes. The world's great thinkers and scientists should be made aware of the pitfalls of this preoccupation with the question of power. It is just this sort of blind, thoughtless investigation that has brought us to the brink of the present crisis. The aim should be peace, not power. And if the aim becomes peace, then the focus will be on the mystery of man himself, not into the secrets of nature. There has been much research and exploration into unconscious matter, but the time has come when we must concentrate on man himself, on his mind.'
-- Osho (From Truth and Science)
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Abraxus
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jul 9, 2005 11:09 a.m.
Quotes from : 'Seven Kinds of Ego'
'Seven Kinds of Ego
'If you understand me, then the whole structure of education should be paradoxical: first they should teach you the ego -- that should be the first part of education, the half of it; and they should then teach you egolessness, how to drop it -- that will be the latter half. People enter from one door or two doors or three doors, and get caught up in a certain fragmentary ego.
The first, I said, is the bodily self. The child starts learning slowly, slowly: it takes nearabout fifteen months for the child to learn that he is separate, that there is something inside him and something outside. He learns that he has a body separate from other bodies. But a few people remain clinging to that very, very fragmentary ego for their whole lives. These are the people who are known as materialists, communists, Marxists.
The people who believe that the body is all -- that there is nothing more than the body inside you, that the body is your whole existence, that there is no consciousness separate from the body, above the body, that consciousness is just a chemical phenomenon happening in the body, that you are not separate from the body and when the body dies you die, and all disappears...dust unto dust...there is no divinity in you -- they reduce man to matter.' - Osho
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Abraxus
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LucidOne
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ago 4, 2005 1:59 p.m.
I also suggest reading Osho's autobiography entitled "Autobiography of a Spiritually Incorrect Mystic". It was a great read.
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Abraxus
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ago 27, 2005 1:06 a.m.
Here is another quote from that web page that ties the talks of osho back int o the idea of society and our place in it .....
"Once, a great philosopher was asked: "What do you think of civilization?"
The philosopher said, "It is a good idea, but somebody has to change the idea into a reality. Civilization has not happened yet. It is a dream of the future."
But the people who are in power -- politically, religiously, socially -- are in power because civilization has not happened. A civilized world, a mature man, needs no nations -- all those boundaries are false -- needs no religions, because all those theologies are simple fictions.
The people who have been for thousands of years in power -- the priests, the politicians, the super-rich, they have all the powers to prevent human evolution. But the best way to prevent it is to convince man, "You are already civilized, " to convince man, "You are already a human being. You need not go through a transformation, it is unnecessary."
And man's weakness is that knowing perfectly well there exists no such thing as civilization, there exists no such thing as human sensitivity, still he starts believing in all the lies that the politicians have been speaking, the priests have been preaching, the educationists have been teaching -- because it seems simpler to just believe, you don't have to do anything for it.
To recognize the fact that you are not yet a man creates fear. The very ground underneath your feet disappears.
Truth makes you utterly naked -- naked of all lies, naked of all hypocrisies.
That's why nobody wants truth; everybody believes that he has got it.
Do you see the psychological strategy? If you don't want to give something to someone, convince him, hypnotize him, repeat again and again, "You have got it." And when thousands of people around you -- your parents, your teachers, your priests, your leaders -- are all believing it, it seems almost impossible for new arrivals in the world, small children, not to be convinced of this thousands-of-years-old idea. Millions of people have lived and died believing that civilization has happened.
So the first thing I want you to understand is that we are still barbarous. Only barbarians can do things that we have been doing for thousands of years -- not human beings. In three thousand years, five thousand wars... and you call man civilized?"
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