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I think you should check out the book "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot. He talks about David Bohm's theory of "holomovement" and the implicate order. Here's a passage from the book:

         Most mind-boggling of all are Bohm's fully developed ideas about wholeness. Because everything in the cosmos is made out of the seamless holographic fabric of the implicate order, he believes it is as meaningless to view the universe as composed of "parts, " as it is to view the different geysers in a fountain as separate from the water out of which they flow. An electron is not an "elementary particle." It is just a name given to a certain aspect of the holomovement. Dividing reality up into parts and then naming those parts is always arbitrary, a product of convention, because subatomic particles, and everything else in the universe, are no more separate from one another than different patterns in an ornate carpet.

         This is a profound suggestion. In his general theory of relativity Einstein astounded the world when he said that space and time are not separate entities, but are smoothly linked and part of a larger whole he called the space-time continuum. Bohm takes this idea a giant step further. He says that everything in the universe is part of a continuum. Despite the apparent separateness of things at the explicate level, everything is a seamless extension of everything else, and ultimately even the implicate and explicate orders blend into each other...

         ...Because all such things are aspects of the holomovement, he feels it has no meaning to speak of consciousness and matter as interacting. In a sense, the observer is is observed. The observer is also the measuring device, the experimental results, the laboratory, and the breeze that blows outside the laboratory. In fact, Bohm believes that consciousness is a more subtle form of matter, and the basis for any relationship between the two lies not in our own level of reality, but deep in the implicate order. Consciousness is present in various degrees of enfoldment and unfoldment in all matter, which is perhaps why plasmas possess some of the traits of living things. As Bohm puts it, "The ability of form to be active is the most characteristic feature of mind, and we have something that is mindlike already with the electron."

         Similarly, he believes that dividing the universe up into living and nonliving things also has no meaning. Animate and inanimate matter are inseparably interwoven, and life, too, is enfolded throughout the totality of the universe. Even a rock is in some way alive, says Bohm, for life and intelligence are present not only in all of matter, but in "energy, " "space, " "time, " "the fabric of the entire universe, " and everything else we abstract out of the holomovement and mistakenly view as separate things.

         The idea that consciousness and life (and indeed all things) are ensembles enfolded throughout the universe has an equally dazzling flip side. Just as every portion of a hologram contains the image of the whole, every portion of the universe enfolds the whole. This means that if we knew how to access it we could find the Andromeda galaxy in the thumbnail of our left hand. We could also find Cleopatra meeting Ceasar for the first time, for in principle the whole past and implications for the whole future are also enfolded in each small region of space and time. Every cell in our body enfolds the entire cosmos. So does every leaf, every raindrop, and every dust mote, which gives new meaning to William Blake's famous poem:


      To see a World in a Grain of Sand
      And Heaven in a Wild Flower,
      Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
      And Eternity in an hour.


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a smart kid Wrote:

the observer is is observed.


That should be 'is THE observed'.
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Aaron , I like what you have said on your profile page about how do we know where we end and the world begins .... I thought about it today as I was walking over the bridge between my parking place and a long day of work. The river was flowing slowly to the North as it always seems to remember to do ... and I watched it as if it was a part of me flowing - and all the reflections and swirling patterns were in me - that was probably the most peaceful moment I had all day.

I often think , and many are trying to teach me , that Duality is purely an illusion that we all agree on for the sake of creating a setting in which to learn things. That the true nature of things is without boundaries and everything is connected.

My teacher / therapist gave me a mantra that he felt would dissolve just about any fear / anxiety / etc. that results from over immersing ourselves in Duality.

'Not two but one'

This can apply to any time when we are finding an internal debate between two seemingly opposing ideas - and there is no peace in the mind because we can not figure out which one is RIGHT and which one is WRONG .... they are not two things. The understanding that they are they same thing often changes the rules of the game.



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unity, one, it, whole, us, we , all, universal moosh of flowing energy within and around all...weaved with what terrance mckenna has called the fingerprints of the creator of our reality (sketchy quote).

this is my favorite, the epihanatic peak in realization of oneness. the ripple effect from vibrations in the ocean of the universe that every "one" gives off to form the waves of color, of time, of depth.

i wrote this a while back about an experience i had while meditating at a lake i visit frequently...

it takes
much less
than one ton
to crack this
fraglie bowl

overflow

how many layers
of
influence
can you
fit in its
perimiter?

when the bowl
is your mind

overflow

you can walk
along the land
surrounded by the
lake

man made

overflow

rooting myself
into the ground
cross legged
with the
water all
around

there is energy
between
my eyes
and the water

thick to cut through

breathe it in

i threw the
bowl in the
water
we have now
become one

i threw the
bowl in the
water

a gracefull
glimmer
in the
sun

my shoes on the
path
behind my back

and the breeze
to let you know
youre alive

i threw the
bowl in the
water

a gracefull
glimmer
in the
sun

the lake
and myself

we

have
become
one

NOW

i watch
myself flow
through the
energy,
thick


with love,
brett
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I can honestly open the doors now to say that I slipped into one side of my dualty. I seen the darkside that trapped me in it's arms by blinding me with that little bit of good. in example the ying yang as a whole is a balance and if you place yourself down the center of the curvy line where you can look over and see the good in the evelope of hte bad and vice versa then you keep your center.. it is very easy to mistake your center with standing in the middle of the bad and seeing hte sea of good and vice versa as well. Life is about walking the line and creating the different scenarios you wish to walk next too. When you emerge total self is when you can easily be fooled by the mind. Your mind can become so loud that it manipulates what it is you think you are seeing/hearing/feeling and so on. I think it is best if you place some kind of weekely check or maybe even for some daily.. to remind us not to take to much control and relinquish what we can and still survive. The effort of effortlessness still stands.. It takes control to ahve no control and in that we have to walk the line.. Eyes and mind open... awareness present to the now and accepting of all before or after.. a center on an infinite line .. for any point in infinite is the entire and balanced whole...

Emerged...returned.... Aware.

X
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It is interesting and very nice to see a mirror for time's game if you take the poem above the last post , and apply it as the response to the above post -
Imagine the poet had written knowng exactly what the content of the next
post would be , and responded in real time.


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X, i was relieved when it seemed like Brett's poem was the perfect response to your post , because the more I tried to wrap my mind around it in search of a reply - the more speechless I became ....

I ended up going for a walk to try to contemplate what you said , and I let the fact that I didn't have an answer or even an idea - a total sense of the unknown sink deep into my mind a drive the thoughts that would follow - It was a chaotic hour or so of strange thoughts and visuals that one would probably describe as a bad trip , but I knew why I was digging into those areas so I stayed fairly calm and just observed ....

I still don't have an answer - best to leave it to the poets i guess.

Odd X


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Add on

Lately I have created and set into place many things that I am accomplishing and tripping through deja vu over and over again. In this I have been getting an overwhelming feeling that the world around me is jsut going to vanish or that I myself will fail to exist. it is not scary or somethingthing I dread it is just a feeling that I am not seeing things as I know they truly are.As if I will wake up or that this is lucid/ I catch myself turning over rocks unintentionally just to see an anthill of coincendences that look upto me as if they were waiting for me to discover them. ther eis a whole side to this that I am going to paint without words within my mind and soul. I have also been looking over a lot of reading lately and see how much people try to take the simplest things and make them sound witty or complecated. I am also one of these people but at present moment I am jsut looking for things to be up to the minute existence.. as everything is. I lvoe reading the complecated and am ecstatic at the simple... Walk on as the moment remains.

X

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This is the simplest mantra I was taught to attempt to dissolve the notion of duality :

'Not two , but one.'

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AbraxusWrote:
Aaron , I like what you have said on your profile page about how do we know where we end and the world begins .... I thought about it today as I was walking over the bridge between my parking place and a long day of work. The river was flowing slowly to the North as it always seems to remember to do ... and I watched it as if it was a part of me flowing - and all the reflections and swirling patterns were in me - that was probably the most peaceful moment I had all day.



I often think , and many are trying to teach me , that Duality is purely an illusion that we all agree on for the sake of creating a setting in which to learn things. That the true nature of things is without boundaries and everything is connected.



My teacher / therapist gave me a mantra that he felt would dissolve just about any fear / anxiety / etc. that results from over immersing ourselves in Duality.



'Not two but one'



This can apply to any time when we are finding an internal debate between two seemingly opposing ideas - and there is no peace in the mind because we can not figure out which one is RIGHT and which one is WRONG .... they are not two things. The understanding that they are they same thing often changes the rules of the game.







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The following site and friend provided a great introduction to the higher vibrations of our multidimentional world... [http://www.inlightimes.com/archives/2002/06/warren-grossman-story.htm] his simple method of grounding provided the following second site experience;
It was a spring day, my favorite tree (a pin oak) was my grounding environment that morning. After getting all the chakras cleansed and infused with light, I gave gaze toward the ordinary. But in this state of contemplation I began to see not only the aura of energy around the branches above but also the clear blue sky became alive! This realm, what had been screened out as an empty air, was now filled with swirling points of light. Not unlike mini flashlights with trailing tails, they chased each other and acted in complete intellegent fashon. Ive since replicated this and tried to communicate using all my known methods. I have not been able to influence them but they, (swirling points of light) have not been hampered or directly degraded by my association. My last attempt was to direct my conciousness into their field of play. My investigation continues... just sharing a moment that was in line with your experience.
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AbraxusWrote:
My teacher / therapist gave me a mantra that he felt would dissolve just about any fear / anxiety / etc. that results from over immersing ourselves in Duality.



'Not two but one'



This can apply to any time when we are finding an internal debate between two seemingly opposing ideas - and there is no peace in the mind because we can not figure out which one is RIGHT and which one is WRONG .... they are not two things. The understanding that they are they same thing often changes the rules of the game.









That's good abraxus... I took something similar from the east indian traditions:

* Mentally repeat "So" with every inhale.
* Mentally repeat "ham" with every exhale.

Note: For some reason both Muktananda and Yogananda taught Americans the reversed form which is called Hamsa or Hong Sau. Personally I've tried them both, found them both equally effective. Some people just find one more comfortable than the other.

Basically translated, So'ham means "I Am That". Walking around for a month saying "I Am That" was a great excersize, as well as being pretty entertaining... "I AM That crack in the floorboard with crumbs in it... I Am That ant eating the crumb... I Am That jerk who just brushed into that old lady... I Am That bus that just drove by... I Am That old guy sleeping on that park bench... I Am That piece of gum on the sidewalk... I Am That gay couple making out... I Am That rock I just stubbed my toe on..." you get the idea. :-)

~DtC
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