When moving, how influencial is a relocation chart? does it take priority over the natal chart or are they both to be studied...? (beginner here! lol)

originalDreamerWrote:
When moving, how influencial is a relocation chart? does it take priority over the natal chart or are they both to be studied...? (beginner here! lol)

It does not take priority over the natal. Nothing does. However, it can help certain parts of the natal come to the foreground of self-awareness and self-expression. or drop to the background. Relocation charts and astro-cartography can be used together to get clues as to how you may relate differently in different locations.

Just don't buy into the superstition that you should avoid Saturn lines or the like. Sometimes Saturn is just the energy it takes to make things happen.

Paul Reeder

Thanks for that guys!
What I've been doing is using the relocation chart, as Paul pointed out, to find clues my natal chart doesn't have.
I've been to the city I'm relocating to and there I felt better about myself, more energetic - not as drained as I do here.
My gf is actually from Vancouver (city I'm moving TO) and while she was living in Montreal (where I'm stuck until June) the relationship had many a hurdle to overcome... there, we got along famously...
My character didn't "change" while I was there, but I revealed more the man I am and the person I really am isn't as depressed and angry as my natal chart might suggest...

Hi,

I was hoping someone might be able and willing
to suggest one (or more) possible vocation(s) for me,
on the basis of my natal chart.
I've had much difficulty and confusion finding my place.
Thank you,
Stephen

ever think of public speaking or something like that where you're in control and are able to express your feelings? ultimately from what i've noticed, people do listen to you! regardless, you need to be your own boss...

Thank you, Original Dreamer.

I've never thought specifically of public speaking.

But writing, counselling, singing, and acting all appeal to me somewhat.

I do need to express my views and feelings,
and to have freedom to do things my own way.

Thanks again,
Stephen

original,

This is a short thread (currently page 5) on this topic:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S26D523FC

I think relocated charts are extremely important. For one, because you just can't change your natal chart. The relocated chart may not be as significant as the natal, but at least you get to pick it. I absolutely do think that there are certain lines that a person should avoid, although that varies from person to person (for some people/charts, a Saturn line might be okay). I've seen way too many cases (something like 3, 000) of this to say any differently. About 3/4 of my full time work is in this area, and I am A*C*G certified as well, so it is one of my areas of expertise.

MosesWrote:
original,



This is a short thread (currently page 5) on this topic:



http://makeashorterlink.com/?S26D523FC



I think relocated charts are extremely important. For one, because you just can't change your natal chart. The relocated chart may not be as significant as the natal, but at least you get to pick it. I absolutely do think that there are certain lines that a person should avoid, although that varies from person to person (for some people/charts, a Saturn line might be okay). I've seen way too many cases (something like 3, 000) of this to say any differently. About 3/4 of my full time work is in this area, and I am A*C*G certified as well, so it is one of my areas of expertise.

thanks man!
ya, i have a bunch of stuff all packed up in the 7th house in my relocation chart and the reason i'm moving has to do with my current relationships... i've been told to go for it! also, i have plans to write professionally which my relocated chart also influences positively.
let me know if you're interested in seeing the charts! :)

Yeah, that would be great. No promises on how much I'll say, though :) Maybe I can just make you a little more about of what to be mindful about in each place.

The more details you can give about why you're making or considering the move would be helpful as well.

substitute 'aware' for 'about' in the second sentence :)

ya i'm very open to all interpretations! as a matter of fact i'm not one to just go along with what only one person tells me (unless i highly respect them)

the reason i'm moving is because my gf, who i met while she was living here, is originally from the west coast and so yes, i'm somewhat pussywhipped BUT i also want some serious change and i've visited this city i'm moving to and i like everything about it and i am determined to make it work! (also montreal's beginning to get old...)

natal:




relocation:

First off, you have a pretty interesting chart. For one, you have no retrogrades, which is very rare, and it's a pretty positive phenomenon. You should be able to do more things from a younger age (struggle less than a lot of people do to express their gifts), and it's been observed by others that people with no retrogrades have an especially positive innocence about them. This may imply less difficult karmas to be worked through in your life and more potential to be of greater benefit to others since you'd struggle less with your own stuff.

On the locational part, well I hope I'm wrong, but I don't get the sense that the move would do what you want it to. Relationship matters out there don't seem that good. The Moon comes up in the 6th house in every house system I work with (four of them), as well as on the Porphyry cusp, as well as the Placidus chart that you have there, so your domestic situation in Vancouver seems pretty challenging.

Yes, the North Node is on the 7th house cusp, but that's not necessarily a good thing IMO, since the North Node can be pretty intense and unstable to begin with (he's called Rahu in Vedic astrology, and you can learn more about what that means from Vedic sources, but for this situation, it's not that peaceful and settling in relationship). It also indicates by its nakshatra that unless both partners are coming from a pretty evolved place spiritually that selfishness and deception could play a negative role in the relationship out there. How well do you trust your girlfriend? If you're both incredibly honest with each other, then I wouldn't worry about that. This could indicate your partner being fairly successful, though.

Even if the North Node is okay on the 7th cusp, which I have my suspicions about, then the South Node is on the ASC, and the South Node will pretty much always cause problems wherever you put it. Here on the ASC it implies either social problems or health issues. However, the line isn't very close, so these don't look like such overwhelming difficulties, although they are there in a weaker form. Nonetheless, it's not really a positive. On the plus side, this could tune you into a more spiritual or metaphysical side of yourself.

I don't really see the writing part either. Usually with a good writing location, you'll see either a Mercury line (especially a good Mercury line, i.e. with a strong natal Mercury) or a positive strength or emphasis (though how I determine that is a long story) on the 5th or 3rd houses. None of those things happen here. Montreal isn't necessarily great for writing, but I think it's probably better than Vancouver is for writing because it gives you an angular Moon, on the 3rd house side of the IC, and the Moon sits in the 3rd by tropical and sidereal whole sign houses. On the plus side in Vancouver, you have a Jupiter local space line, and with Jupiter in Virgo in both zodiacs, studying and/or writing shorter pieces could work out well. That's usually not so good for a book-length project, though.

The really good news on writing is that you enter your Mercury dasa on 11/17/08 (which you could feel about a year ahead of time), which is a 17-year cycle in your Vedic chart. That will happen regardless of where you live at the time. Mercury rules the 3rd house of your Vedic chart and sits in the 3rd house of your Vedic navamsa chart (9th harmonic, sort of a secondary birth chart). It's in the nakshatra Swati, which is excellent for learning, but famously airy and not generally the best at commiting to things because it moves around a lot. So you'll want to overcome that somehow (there are various vedic remedies like pujas I could tell you about) and get serious about seizing the day when the time comes and not just planning for the longterm. You might want to pick a better location for writing as well IMO, even if that just means traveling to somewhere for short lengths of time to write.

Different house systems put an emphasis on the 8th, 9th, and 10th. The 8th is the one you have to be careful with. The best ways to manifest 8th house energy seem to be either a healing or psychological profession (including astrology) or something that involves a lot of money, like a corporation or banking. Without an 8th house channel like that, those energies can end up feeling emotionally intense and a bit paralyzing.

One thing you lose when you leave Montreal, is that Moon-IC, which should at least give you something rather cozy, comfty, or nurturing (family, home, land, friends, or whatever), but I hear you that you're ready for something else. But the Moon goes from the 4th cusp in Montreal, it's favorite place in the chart, to the 6th, which is pretty difficult. So that's a big difference as I see it.

I hate to be a downer, and you should trust yourself over what anyone else tells you, but this is exactly what I do for a living and I'm usually very good at it. If you go there, hopefully I'll be wrong. If not, then this might help you realize more quickly what's going on so you can decide what you want to do about that.

I should add that Vancouver gives you no angular planets. Angularity=prominence. The only angular 'planets' are the Moon's Nodes, but the South Node on the ASC tends to be a negative contributor towards any kind of recognition or prominence.

This isn't a bad thing if you don't mind feeling unseen. A lot of people wouldn't mind that, and the benefit is that it can make things generally more mellow (though I don't see your domestic situation as being mellow per se). But most guys at 23 years of age don't want to fade into the background and disappear yet. So that would be another thing to pay attention to. How well do people see and recognize you there? My guess would be not very well, but you might need to spend a good bit of time there to really tell that.

wow, thanks for that! (i think :P lol)
i take it with a grain of salt like you pointed i should to a certain extent because i've been with her for nearly two years and because, regardless of success with writing, vacouver feels like home and is such an inspiring place to be. also, my relationship with my family has always been very rocky and very intense and although i'm very dependant on them emotionally, some detatchment is necessary -- maybe for that exact reason even.
yes, i trust her and i know she would never do anything to jeopordize that trust. do i trust myself though?! yes, though it's been a problem in this relationship, but i know who i am and what i want (and i want this more than anything!). if vancouver makes me question this or brings these feelings to the forefront, i have the tools to overcome them.

am i a writer? yes. will i get known/ very well known as a writer? maybe or maybe not but i have the stamina to keep going and keep trying guaranteed and vancouver can come and go (she'd come back to montreal with me if ever) and i know that i want to provoke people with my writing, help others with it and i also know that that's what i'm supposed to do.

will i be famous? well, to be quite honest, i'd probably hate the spotlight. also, as a writer, how much fame could one receive? you see actors' faces on billboards, but i think writers have an easier time getting by as average. i kind of like that idea alot...

i must say though that i know all vancouver is is a place and not some life altering move. i can be dreamy but i can also be devastatingly realistic. i think i've been through enough uncertainty in my life though to overcome it in all amounts (so bring it on, i'll be fine! lol)

can i just add i've gotten alot of positive feedback by accomplished astrologers?
i'd be more than glad to post their observations for you though you might start charging me for your time! lol