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The way dreams flow over into our waking life's and the
way our waking moments are patched together to create
the fabric of dreams.

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The Early Sessions---Session 28

Seth Speaks on Dreams


I am not Ruburt's subconscious, though I speak through it. It is the atmosphere though which I can come to you, as the air is the atmosphere through which a bird flies, but the bird is something different from the air. A certain reassembly of myself is necessary when I enter your plane, and this reassembly is done partially by the combined subconscious efforts of you, Joseph, and Ruburt.

In a dream, and this is new material, I have said that you can experience many days while no corresponding amount of physical time passes. In other words, it seems that you travel very far in the flicker of an eyelash.

Condensed time is the time felt by the entity, or experienced by the entity, while any of its given personalities "live on the plane of physical materializations. To go into this a bit further, many men have said that life is a dream, They were true to the facts in one strong regard, and yet far afield as far as the main issue is concerned.

Individual life, or the life of the present individual, could be legitimately compared to the dream of the entity. While the individual suffers and enjoys his given number of years, these years are but a flash to the entity, the entity is concerned with these years in the same manner that you are concerned with your dreams. As you give purpose and organization to your dreams, and as you obtain insight and satisfaction from your dreams through they involve only a part of your life, so the entity to some extent directs and gives purpose and organization to his personalities during their existence, And so does the entity obtain insights and satisfactions from his existing personalities, although no one takes up all of his attentions.

And as your dreams originate with you, rise from you, attain a seeming independence, and have their ending with you, so do an entity's personalities arise from him, attain various degrees of independence, and return to him while never leaving him for an instant.

The planes represent the various levels upon which the personalities operate. You are familiar through your reading with so-called secondary personalities. There have been cases of individuals with three separate personalities. Now this idea comes close to the relationship of the entity to its personalities. They are independent to varying degrees, and they operate on various planes for purposes of overall fulfillment and development.

To a lessor degree, you function along these lines in varying roles when you exist simultaneously as a member of a family, a member of a community, a nation, and as an artist or a writer. As you attempt to use your abilities so does the entity attempt to use his abilities, and he organizes his various personalities and to some extent directs their activities while still allowing them what you would call free will.

There exists infinities of diversity and opportunity for the personalities, and this diversity is given to it, to its meaning the personality, by the entity, Your own dreams are fragments, even as in a much larger sense you are fragments of your entity, An unrecognized unity and organization lies within all of your dreams, beneath their diversity. and your dreams, while part of you, actually exist apart. That is , you have given them a certain independence. This is difficult to explain clearly, and may be rather difficult for you to swallow whole, I hope you don't choke.

However I have said there is great similarity between your relationship to your dreams, and to the entity's relationship to his personality. What I did not make plain was that your dreams are part of a plane, and exist on it as you exist on your plane.

That dream world has its own reality, its own time, which is different from your concept of time, and its own inner organization. As the entity is only partially concerned with its personalities after setting them into motion, so you are unconcerned with this dream world which you have set into motion. But it exists.

To a different degree it is filled with conscious semi personalities. I call them semi personalities merely to point out that they are not fully developed as you are, as you are not as developed as your entity is. Nevertheless, that dream world experiences continuity, it is not aware of any break while, for example, you are sleeping. It does not know you sleep or wake. It merely exists to a fairly vivid degree while you sleep, and it sleeps but does not die when you are awake.

The entity itself does not have to keep constant check on its personalities, because in each personality there is an inner self-conscious part that knows its origin. This part, for now, I will call the self-conscious beyond the subconscious. The breather and the dreamer are not so automatically controlled as it would seem. I have mentioned before that some part of you knows exactly how much oxygen the lungs breathe, and how much energy it takes to pace the floor, and this is the part of you of which I spoke. It is the part, and the self-conscious part that receives all inner data.

The part that translates inner data sifts it down through the subconscious, which is a barrier and also a threshold to the present personality as it operates on the camouflage plane. I have mentioned many times how vitality changes as it approaches and forms various planes. I have said that the topmost part of the subconscious contains personal memories. That beneath these are racial memories and so forth. Things are simply not layered in the way I speak of them, But continuing with the necessary analogy, on the other side of [or beneath to you] the racial memories, you no longer exist within your plane, and look out upon another with the face of this other self-conscious part of you. This part receives inner data, is in contact with the entity, to some greater degree than you are in contact with your dreams, and actually directs all the important functions that you think are either automatically controlled, or unconsciously controlled.

When such abilities as telepathy occur, this telepathic function is carried on continually by this other self-conscious part of you, but as a rule you act upon such data without the knowledge of the conscious self with which you are familiar. I wanted to at least get into this material this evening, because while it may sound complex to you now, it is really basic. And it is knowledge that you must have before we can go further.

There is also a corresponding, but lesser, self- consciousness that connects your present personalities with the dream world, which is aware of its origin and communicates data from you to it. Again you are no more aware of your dream creations, and no less aware than your entity is of you, but in the last analysis you are aware and connected with your entity through this self-conscious part of you that faces another plane.

There is of course an apparent contradiction here, but it is only apparent. It is certainly to you contradictory, your dilemma being this: if you have another self-conscious self, then why aren't you aware of it.{grin}

Pretend that you are some weird creature with two faces, One face looks out upon one world and one looks out upon on another. Imagine, further, this poor creature having a brain to go with each face, and each brain interprets in terms of the world it looks upon. Yet the worlds are different, and more, the creatures are Siamese twins.

At the same time. imagine these creatures are really one creature but with different parts equipped to handle two entirely different worlds. The subconscious therefore, in this truly ludicrous analogy, would exist between two brains, and would enable the creature to operate as a single unity. At the same time, and this is the difficult part to explain, neither of the two faces would ever see the other world. They would not be aware of each other. And yet each would be fully self-conscious.

Waking Vision: (yes i am a dreamer)

this seemed like a suitable thread to share one of my mediation visions i experienced after a kundalini yoga session. I wrote it down, this was a number of months ago, i was reading back in my healing notebook to get inspiration to kick back into the yoga/meditation space as i have found it slipping lately with my busy work schedule.
There was a sensation of light all around as in a sunset or sunsrise. A caregiver offered her loving embrace. They were radiant arms, her aura vibrated white and golden light and i was comforted.
I looked around this bright golden place and saw faces smiling, acknowledging my relief in the beauty.
"this is divine love"
a taste of divine unity was graced across my brow.
It was familiar and contained a mixture of believers from several different faiths.
there wasn't a language spoken, it was somehow an instant comunication, like thoughts. I didn't need to define anything, or reach for meaning.
It wasn't as if i was learning they existed, i was being reminded that they have always been there.

these notions clung to me for days after, like earthquake vibrations. And i couldn't help but know that anyone could become awake to this love at any time.
all you need is to just practise being.
a friend said to me the other day, you don't need to do anything;
we aren't humans doing we are humans being
it felt like it came from the same place, no need to question,
no call for angst,
we are all on the same quest
just trying to return home

shortly, id like to place this hear as well:) like your 'see'ing' in this position, your experiance reminds me of 1 of the dreamworlds ive lways entered; the scenery is always different but , i come across numerous people that i know. words really dont make sense but its more like walking through crowds of people that you know and havent seen, maybe forever, and its a constant acknowledgement of eachothers connection/freindship...kinda like that , on a recent journey w/ the allie lasst summer, 1st in 7 years i might add, i was in that realm and many other positions @ the same time, :) hehe a weird forboding feeling and a vision of a psycho(movie)like house @ night with its dead tree sillouhettes & full moon, w/ the sensation of childhood like latenight journeyin a place your not suppose to be, haa , was cool....good times. i wanna share more..ill post blog -Dp

sporatic events of the teonactl;
first i begin to shift, and i first noticed something familiar but i cant recall other memories of, little, diamond like, linear, 2 dimensional & flat , w/ extentions off tips that just went away into somwhere, looked like wood ticks, like turqoise fractal pattern but jade colored, emenating from center of diamond. radiated out a centimeter or 2 to create the diamond shape, the tips were like tenticles/luminous fibers as legs.they didnt move, but like particles seemed to be in superposition and entangled.i had the sensation they 'were' like ticks and were somhow or in someway were feeding off the landscape...they went away .
into the next shift:
Haaa!..went inside and watched AEON FLUX movie(c.theron) never had seen.
hmmm, if u seen, sorry should of waited. ahhhshit.nuf said (:>)T)>
out to the grass under the starry/cloud puffed sky:
THE CLOUDS!oceons above us(Girlfriend&:) well like i said been 7 years, ive recollected EVEN more than i thaught I would of by now(I KNEW EVERYTHING..HA, PARENTS ARE RIGHT4EVER)those clouds were the vision for hours....the back to the earth, and awareness towards infinity.those clouds made symbols and figures in those puffs, the alpha omega symbol, clearly! a wierd alien headed cattipillar, lol, but very very defined, i could of swore it had a joint:)i must of seen somethin like that in hightimes art or movie sounds familiar, cause i had 'deja vu'.they were definitely aware!in connection to our glow.thank you water! i turned over and hugged the earth, i lost all gravity and was hurling through space, like an infant in its mothers grasp, the great mother was holding me back & i flew w/ the great mother!!
*real quick..: 16 months or so ago, in 9-10oclock hour, am.went outside, saw a large conglomerate fairly low in sky, haulin ass, it called me to follow its journey, i gazed to it as it (in cloud time)very quickly, whirlpooled within itself to form a horse or boar scene as if it were a native american/western painting.it begin to run, and turn to create the buffalo herd, running.then to a rabbit hop quicklyt into a couple things hard to recollect, all animals, running shapeshifting, the eagle and horse again, i asked the cloud & intended to see a dragon(said to myself, that be tight if...)DAG NAM INSTANTLY IT , LOL, TURNED INTO A PROFILE OF A DRAGON AND IN MATRIX LIKE, SLOWMOTION, TURNED TOWARDS ME RAISING ITS HEAD & OPENING ITS WINGS, (An 1/8 HEMISPHERE OF SKY FROM THE SOUTH ABOUT 3 MILES DIAGONAL TO ME, THESE ARE CLOUDS REMEMBER!), in true hi-def holographic depth this cloud became a REAL waterdragon of sort, it looked directly to me & acknowledged my 'sight' w/ praise & thanx!like damn falcor would!haa, lol.
the dragon seemed to spin away into a flight into infinity dissapating in minutes after losing any coherent form or 'communicative mimicking, the show of the millineium was over, and i was the only 1 to of seen it, i garantee if i had video of that, it would be PRICELESS! ... *real quick my ass... HA!Back2Teo
during the night: i had intended to see the eye of my nagual, in vision form, w/ this magical power plant.it came, in the form of an ancient/now extinct, gigantic elephant eye, i could see the reoson cultures loved and painted these majestic giants, the rim of the eye and the ridges of its structure, the colors were of your basic level 3-4 energy. your basic 1 purple 2 neon green 3 hot pink combonation, w/ a little electric blu, heiroglyphic like patterns around the eye, the eye itself was huge, like the eagle itself.

Finally , my new Dreams page is up and running on Second Attention - It has been completely re-designed and is much more focused on content now than on links.

As always , I am looking for content for future months and ideas to make this a better resource ....

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Here is the new Dreams page :

http://www.secondattention.org/main/Dreams.aspx

Saturn’s Return - A waking dream reality

I am reluctant to talk about my visions on the whole, I would rather talk of knowledge on a practical level of what I know. Visions in general are unexplained phenomena that take you years to work out what they mean. But for my own benefit and for anyone who might read this that it might benefit them also I thought I would tell you of my Saturn’s return.

I was working in a retirement home by the sea in a place not far from where I am now. I had for many years struggled with my own self importance, self indulgence engulfed me and on a day to day basis I felt pity for myself and the world. And just as in the manner that these things occur while I was working in this place, I had a moment of clarity; a sense of giving up and abandonment to what I did not know. I stepped outside of the home onto the patio to gaze at the world for a moment while I was free...

There was a man stood next to me; "look at that" he said..I surveyed the horizon looking out to sea. With this man stood to the right of me pointing to the horizon
- I saw Saturn as large as sun setting where just before the sun had been. The place I was in was no longer this world but the world of dreams I had some how stepped through a door into a vision that could not even be imagined and couldn’t believe what I was seeing. He was very calm it was a quizzical moment for him as if he had seen this sight many times before but even for him it was not dulled by seeing it again. I don’t know how I got back to this world in a very real sense I never left but
Saturn returned to me.

For me it was an omen of prolific proportions; as is the nature of these things I think I knew but in a sense was unaware of the significance. Particularly as I had not till recently heard the term and known it’s meaning truly. But now many years on I see the meaning and the significance; that it was a promise and a portent for me - a return to not quite to sanity but to a place of well being and a place where I could live to be free.

The man who stood next to me..I never saw again - he left the place I was working quite suddenly thrown out I was told, as was I some short time after but there was no regret due to what I had seen. It was a temporary job anyway and didn’t mean much to me. The journey continued to where I am now and beyond into infinity...