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The 8th Deadly Sin
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Mar 20, 2009 8:01 AM
So they’ve been teasing us with commercials all week, saying that we’ll finally know the truth. TBH, I’m not convinced.
There are three things that MUST be explained. Starbuck’s ressurection, Baltar’s "hallucinations", and Roslin’s visions. I think these are the key sub-plots, and if these arent fully answered then the final episode will be a failure.
My issue arises from things said by the producers in the special that aired earlier this week. RDM’s comment that he decided it should be about the characters and not the plot leaves me feeling less than optimistic. Other things he said, particularly about the selection of the final five, left me positively groaning. It seems as if he had a vision once upon a time but decided to wing it as time went by. Selecting Elen as the fifth because she was the least obvious choice may rank as one of the greatest face-palm moments in all sci-fi, particularly when other more significant characters were passed over specifically because of long held fan speculation. To paraphrase RDM’s statements, Starbuck and Baltar were passed over simply because they made it too obvious.
My prediction is a final episode that is a self indulgent sci-fi wank on a par with The Phantom Menace, and a flop of a conclusion to rival the ending to the Sopranos.
What really irritates me is the lack of continuity that arises from RDM’s "make it up as we go" mentality. First of all, what happened to "THE PLAN?" There are 12 models, and they have a plan... remember that? Where did that go? If the cylons have a plan (either the 2nd gen or the Final Five) then someone should have clued them in, because they seem like chickens with their heads cut off at this point, making it up as they go along as surely as RDM is. MAYBE Tigh will recover some memories or Anders will spew something intelligible, but I’m not optimistic.
And thats just the big one. There are things that have gone unexplained from the VERY begining, and I think that the producers have forgotten them entirely. Think back to the note telling Adama there are 12 models. Think back to the cylon device on the dradis console. Think back to the logic bomb. Think back to any of the hundreds of sub-plots that went NOWHERE. As I said, it seems RDM began with one vision and decided to alter it one time too many. Is it his prerogative? Sure. There are, of course, fan bois who will eat it up, but his ego may cause his legacy to take a hit here.
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Dr. Chunky Love Soup
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Mar 21, 2009 6:39 AM
Well I think all your questions got answered. I just watched the greatest tv series of all time. The ending was spectacular, I couldn’t get my eyes off the screen. They Saved the best for last
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Mar 21, 2009 6:54 AM
One of the great things about being a BSG fan is that there is such diversity in us all, just like the characters in the show. We all come together, as fans of the show, but our expectations and even our opinions are sometimes so different it’s a wonder how such people who think so differently can all come together and watch the same program.
I won’t reveal anything, but I was quite content with the series finale. My husband wasn’t too jazzed about a few things. We’ve been talking about the show’s end since the final credits rolled.
I have always liked the fact RDM had that write by the seat of his pants mentality. I have always found their storylines in BSG unpredictable and very well played. There have been episodes I felt were nothing but fluff and filler and that I was disappointed in. But that’s RDM doing his job. He’s there to tell a story and no matter what was written, there was never a chance he would satisfy every single one of us fans. I’d go into more detail but I don’t want to spoil it for those who haven’t watched the last episode.
As far as "The Plan" goes, I’ve always felt it was their plan to destroy the human race because of their enslavement. I could be wrong, but it makes sense to me. I mean, that’s the entire reason of the show, right? Six was purposely put into place to access information from Gaius. The Cylons knew that humans would flee, and started chasing them down. Sounds like a plan to me. But I didn’t write the show so I’m not sure if that’s what RDM was going for.
I feel RDM’s revelation "It’s about the characters, stupid" was simple genius. Look how many shows there are out there that concentrate so hard on the storyline the actual characters fade from view. The mission to find a new home (or destroy the human race)was something that was a constant. Never changing. That was the goal. However the characters who are set in motion to achieve that goal, they do change. They evolve, they grow, they shrink and they die. The chaos is what made this show. It made it real. A war, which is what this was, is a war. There’s times of organization, there’s times of chaos. There’s times of triumph and times of defeat. I think the writers on that show did an excellent job.
Here’s hoping you watched the last episode 8th Deadly Sin and had your questions answered and your feelings towards the series positively changed. :)
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Danny KGB
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Mar 21, 2009 7:42 AM
yup best show ever and the finale was amazing. Are there plot problem, ya, but I think that being a character driven show allowed BSG to transcend the sci-fi genre. Can you imagine how much better the show would have been on HBO? I’m looking forward to the new shows as well but I don’t have much hope of their being BSG’s equal. We’ll see.
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The 8th Deadly Sin
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Mar 21, 2009 8:15 AM
Danny KGB wrote:
I’m looking forward to the new shows as well but I don’t have much hope of their being BSG’s equal. We’ll see.
I enjoyed it. I won’t lie. But I feel there was more resolution in Chief snapping Tori’s neck than in any of the other major points. I wish I could white out text here but I’ll have to settle for saying that there is a big spoiler coming, skip to the next paragraph. Starbuck’s entire history explained (sort of ) away by making her a ghost/angel/head-person that EVERYONE can see? That was a cop out.
The special effects were as dazzling as anticipated, and the first half was probably the most spectacular bit of RDM’s epic, but everything else was just anti-climactic. The closest we came to any kind of closure was the teaser for "BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE PLAN, coming this fall" that came towards the end. Oh, so maybe we’ll get the answers THEN.
I could have taken the thing ending on a down note, but we got a flat one. As well done as it was, I don’t think it did justice to the work as a whole, particularly with the many cop-outs we saw to major plot points, like Starbuck, Baltar/6, and even Hera. The first hour was awesome, but an hour epilogue that does nothing but remind that so many threads were left untied was a let-down for me. I guess that an "ending" wasnt as important as setting up the sequel.
Want the proof? I’ve been on this board since they first posted it. It used to be high traffic... where is everybody now? Will BSG be a new staple in Sci-fi history? Absolutely. Did every actor nail the shit out of their role? They blew that shit up. Was it the ending it could have been? Nope. Did it have the viewership tonight that it did, say, for the season 3 opener? Don’t bet on it. RDM’s style got too chaotic and it cost him fans. We saw the culmination of him winging it tonight... alot of people got bored following endless and pointless subplots, none of which were resolved in THIS piece of work.
To me, one of the best elements of the series was the implied quest for immortality. While seeing a final end to resurrection tech coupled with Baltar’s monologue to Cavil was an amazing end to the war, the following hour was just depressing. I understand a writer wanting to leave some things unsettled to create the illusion of a "living" world, but for someone who said "its about the characters" we saw alot of heros simply put out to pasture.
I have no doubt that many of the plot issues will be resolved in the "epilogue" of "The Plan", but I’m sure I speak for everyone but fanbois when I say that its embarassing to see a good piece of art turn into nothing more than another vehicle to sell commercials. "The Plan" will answer some questions but will really only set up more for "Caprica", which they’ve been teasing us with for over a year now. A cat will only chase the string for so long before growing bored.
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Mar 21, 2009 9:18 AM
SPOILERS! :D
I’m glad to see that you enjoyed the episode, to an extent.
However I don’t believe you speak for everyone but "fanbois". I’m not one I can guarantee you. I found flaws in the show just as I’m sure many others have. But I didn’t let a few fluffer episodes or strayed insignificant "sub-plots" deter the overall experience of the show itself.
I didn’t come into BSG willingly. I was from the old school of watching the original as a little girl and thought the new series to be just another childhood memory that Hollywood and Cable TV took a giant crap on. Even though I was too young to even remember the storylines, I figured it’s integrity would be torn apart just as most remakes are.
My husband sat me down with the 2-hour "pilot" I guess you could call it and in those 2 hours I was blown away. I sat cross armed and not willing to even give it a chance. By the time it was over, I was wanting more.
You seem to focus on RDM’s "style got too chaotic". Would you rather it be a structured plot? ABC...123? I would think fans would get bored with a straight lined story. I don’t think the traffic on this page reflects on the overall fanbase BSG carries. I’m a member of quite a few pages on MySpace of television programs and such. It’s only a website. There’s plenty of other websites that offer more information, are updated frequently and are not tied to any kind of networking. Once the second half of the season premiered, I couldn’t even get onto the BSG forums on SciFi.com when an episode aired or when the clues were being revealed. The servers kept crashing because of the abundance of traffic. I’m unsure of why this page hasn’t been updated in ages, but that perhaps could play a roll in the downfall of activity, not the reasons you seem to imply.
Don’t heroes deserve to live too? These people had been searching for a home. They finally found it. What else were they supposed to do after that? They weren’t "put out to pasture". They went on living their lives they fought so hard to keep. It IS about the characters because that’s who made the story. It was a nice touch to go forward after the war had really ended. Because it wasn’t just about the battle between Cylon and Human ending, it was about life going on. The life of the characters...
My husband had commented that the SA forums were all abuzz about the whole Starbuck being a head character. I don’t see it that she was. Head characters don’t find their charred bodies on the planet that they helped the Fleet to find. I don’t think she was an angel or a ghost either. I’m not sure honestly what RDM was trying to make her. Perhaps nothing at all. It is what it is. She came back like someone had literally hit the reset button. It wasn’t her time to die when her viper blew up. When she came back to her it was like time stopped. Months had passed if I remember right. And her viper was brand new. And I don’t remember if the flight logs had been reset in the computer but I think they were. When she and Lee were in the field talking about what they were going to do now they had a home, she didn’t know. Lee went on about wanting to explore...she had vanished. Her destiny had been fulfilled so, since she had technically already "died" (Remember she had said "I"m dead" or something like that) her job was done so she moved on.
I don’t think RDM’s style cost him fans. Those who stopped watching probably came into this series thinking of it being conventional or the typical predictable "space show" with aliens and humans battling it out. He raised the bar to heights I don’t see any other SciFi type of program ever surpassing. Hardly a cat chasing a string.
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Mar 22, 2009 7:53 AM
8th deadly sin you need to relax. It seems to me that everything was answered. And as far as a cop out on some characters, Balter explained it to Caval in that he sees angels and that throughout the series "every character has gone through or seen something that can’t be explained.
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Mar 23, 2009 2:30 PM
in general I am agreeing with The 8th Deadly Sin, the finale of finding earth was lame. our earth and then mixed with the locals. sounds like erich von danicken. why not a more original ending? and starbuck materializes and then vanishes. for such a show the ending was crap.
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Mar 23, 2009 8:20 PM
I’m honestly curious how those of you who were unhappy with the series finale would have played it out. Because no matter what your ending would have been, I guarantee you that someone would come and shyte all over your final plots just as you’re shyting on RDM’s.
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Mar 25, 2009 11:18 AM
I have to say that I was satisfied with the series, even though there were a few problems with it. First of all, we’ve known throughout BSG that it uses religion as a means to further the plot. Most of the time, there was scientific reasoning to back up why things happened the way they did. This gave you a choice to decide for yourself whether it was coincidence or destiny. However, the angels that Baltar and Caprica saw could have been dozen of other things, but this is one instance where the creator wanted religion to win. I didn’t like that, and I really didn’t like Kara coming back either. That messed the show up in my opinion. Not only was she dead, but her dead body teleported across the galaxy defying all logic.
Secondly, I didn’t like the series wide build up of Baltar’s destiny. From the very beginning, to the opera house dream, it was made to be something important. I honestly thought it would have something to do with the final five. But what do we get? Some anti-climactic ending where he picks the child up and walks twenty feet into the CIC. She would’ve been safer outside... Baltar’s character also suffered in the last season. He was hardly in the show, and even when he was he was spouting religious crap that never went anywhere.
Finally, I have to say that the final five were actually final five bad choices. It seems like they were chosen more for the awe factor than good story material. Not only that, but I thought they should have been brought in one by one instead of all at once. As soon as we learned their identity, it wasn’t as interesting anymore.
To sum it all up, most people say that it’s not about the ending, but the journey. And that’s true for BSG. The journey was amazing. It was a good show, and some time down the line I’ll probably watch it all again. But, there’s one thing I’m unsure of. Well, four seasons for a popular series like BSG is short. Very short. So, I’m beginning to wonder if BSG was going to get canceled, or if the writers just got tired of it. Because it seems like it ended when things were just getting good. Either way, I enjoyed the series very much, and I hope the new one coming out is good as well.
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